My M-14/S arrived today.

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My Norinco M-14S arrived from Dark today. It was shipped from Ontario on Monday and arrived here in Vernon BC Thursday. Dark ships Express Post, signature required which cost me $65. The rifle was complete and as advertised with 2 5 rnd short mags and one 5/20 mag, sling and cleaning/tool kit in the butstock. Total cost was $560.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet so can't report on accuracy.

The barrel seems to have been overtightened. Two bars method show that the front sight base leans a few degrees to the left and the front sight is over to the right side of the sight base, but not overhanging.

The gas cylinder nut is about .007 or .008" short of tight and will tighten to about eight o'clock with the piston removed.

So, I guess depending on how it shoots I may have some work cut out for me.

Any comments or advice?
 
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Del doesn't have any. He had a few left this summer that had poorly made sights on them so he sold them off at a bit of a discount.

Re:shipping cost. Yeah, the charge was a few cents under $65 but I noticed the cost on the postage label was $53 and change so it looks like I was overcharged a bit. Some other dealers (most?) just use standard parcel post which is cheaper, too.
 
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The term for the sights not coinciding on the level is called barrel indexing. And just about every M14S sporter has this deficiency. The next question is whether it is worth the effort to unscrew the barrel a fraction of a turn. I don't know where you take those measurements. The fact that the gas cylinder lock has to be loosened fractionally to fit the gas plug. It should have a first pressure at about 4 or 5 o'clock, and be turned against resistence to 6 o'clock.
 
There have been extensive discussions about mailing firearms on CGN. Check CP's website for details on the only acceptable way to mail firearms.
 
I have two 305's. One definately requires the barrel to be re-indexed but I have a scope on it for now. The other one looked the same but after I installed an USGI FH everything was fine, just a crappy norc FH....Bob
 
Norc M-14 barrel indexing.

Bob said:
I have two 305's. One definately requires the barrel to be re-indexed but I have a scope on it for now. The other one looked the same but after I installed an USGI FH everything was fine, just a crappy norc FH....Bob
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That's interesting. So the flash hider/ front sight was what was out of alignment rather than the barrel indexing being off. Where did you find a GI flash hider and what did it cost you?
 
my rifle... newly arrived from dark.... same shipping fee... but i don't eally care about that. it's here in my mitts.
maybe i'm lucky, the machinist levels indicate my barrel is properly indexed. I too have scope mine so i haven't really looked to see if the open sight is true.
My gas lock tightened perfectly, no shimming required, stock ferrule is tight.
I have fired 30 rounds... first 10 at 100yrds were about 2.5 inch group
every round after that, fired in 5 rounds groups were all under 1.5 inches
I am completely impressed.... now to fit it into a freshly refinished usgi stock and i'll see how it groups this weekend.
i haven't headspaced the rifle yet as i don't have a gauge.... but it has functioned flawlessly so far with american eagle fmj in 308 win
 
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M14 S

I received my rifle last Friday and it is a wonderful, trouble free, excellent firing unit. Works well. I got it from Dark and Rodger was, and is excellent to deal with
in my books.
Barrel is straight. Tight and seems to function fine..

I might get another if there is more..
 
Well, I had my new M-14 to the range today. I was mostly just sighting it in and function testing it. With the front sight over to the right side of the sight base I still had to move the rear sight about .040" to the left of the center mark to zero it, however, it doesn't look like the witness scale itself is centered.

Altho I was mosty just sighting in the rifle it is obvious that it shoots. Once on the paper at 100 m I shot two 3 shot groups to zero the elevation. The first group was about 1.4" ( I jerked the trigger a bit on one shot), the second was aprox. .900". I'm impressed and pleased.

I had two failures to pick up a round out of 3 mags shot. I'll have to clean and lube again and have a closer look at the mag. The safety is very stiff to apply but goes off easily. The trigger is very good.

So far so good, I'm not unhappy with it.
 
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Well, I had my new M-14 to the range today. I was mostly just sighting it in and function testing it. ...

I had two failures to pick up a round out of 3 mags shot. I'll have to clean and lube again and have a closer look at the mag. The safety is very stiff to apply but goes off easily. The trigger is very good.
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Don't make any big decisions before you fire a half-dozen boxes through your new rifle. You have to break it in before you can know what it is capable of shooting. For instance, the magazines are probably quite rough surfaced on the feed lips. Try some emery cloth to smooth down the parkerizing. Make sure the mags are seating properly in the mag well.
 
I emailed Roger yesterday and called a few times.I could not get a hold of anyone I will try to call on Monday again if I do not hear back.
 
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maybe i'm lucky, the machinist levels indicate my barrel is properly indexed. I too have scope mine so i haven't really looked to see if the open sight is true.
My gas lock tightened perfectly, no shimming required, stock ferrule is tight.
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I may be new to all this but I have NO idea what your talking about with indexing, shimming and stuff. I too just ordered one from Rodger @ Dark (still on it's way) and now I wondering if I need to worry about something that I don't understand, lol.

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I emailed Roger yesterday and called a few times.I could not get a hold of anyone I will try to call on Monday again if I do not hear back.
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I sent him my payment via snail mail and sent him a e-mail about it on Thursday and I still haven't gotten a reply. I'm assuming that his is out for a bit cause out of all the e-mails that I've sent him over the last week he always got back to me within hours...
 
there are sticky's at the top of the main battle rifle forum and many threads with good info if you do a search.... takes a bit to understand it all but if you read through with yer rifle in hand.... you will come to an understanding i'm sure. Tonnes of info on here from lots of guys experienced with these rifles.
 
Re: barrel indexing and shimming gas lock.

I guess what I'm thinging is that if my rifle keeps shooting like it did yesterday I don't think I'm going to worry about mods. Frankly, it shot better than my wildest dreams.

Now for some more range testing!
 
Re: third round failure to feed. This was happening on 2 out of 3 times. The bolt wasn't going far enough back to pick up the round.

So I hand polished the contact points on the hammer where it rubs on the bottom of the bolt during cycling and I hand polished the bottom of the bolt. Then I applied a bit of grease to both areas. It cycles fine now, no more short stroking.

I noticed when polishing the bottom of the bolt that it took a lot of effort. The steel of the bolt seems to be quite hard which is a good thing and contrary to some of the scuttlebut about Norc M-14 bolts being soft.
 
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Re: third round failure to feed. This was happening on 2 out of 3 times. The bolt wasn't going far enough back to pick up the round.

So I hand polished the contact points on the hammer where it rubs on the bottom of the bolt during cycling and I hand polished the bottom of the bolt. Then I applied a bit of grease to both areas. It cycles fine now, no more short stroking.

I noticed when polishing the bottom of the bolt that it took a lot of effort. The steel of the bolt seems to be quite hard which is a good thing and contrary to some of the scuttlebut about Norc M-14 bolts being soft.
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Yes the internet will report that Norinco bolts are soft - but don't believe everything you read on the net. The US writers whined and badmouthed the Norincos when they first appeared. Yes those rifles weren't perfect, but luckily for Canadians the US border was closed to Chinese guns not long afterwards. The bolts on Canadian-destination Norincos are quite hard enough for the task.
 
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