Increased Discounts for Law Enforcement and First Responders

Hvacpimp said:
I agree with the comments from post #72 (I’m sure there is more comments but haven’t read through them all). In my opinion the main front line workers that deserve the discount are hospital/healthcare and paramedics. What has changed with regards to regular duties for police and fire? For the people saying protective armor/chest plates. If it’s required for their job the govt will provide it for them. I know it’s not an easy job that the first responders have but they are paid well for it and please forgive me if I’m wrong or offend but all the thank you first responder signs and extra discount signs I see everywhere for them in a way doesn’t make sense to me. Nothing has changed for them except again the paramedics and hospital/healthcare workers. I think everyone deserves a discount.
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We do offer the discount to frontline medical workers as well.
 
Just a general response here. Can we please keep this civil. We are fine with hearing your opinions on what we have done but we would greatly appreciate if you all didn't insult one another. Everyone has a platform to speak here and we don't want to limit anyone's speech but please keep things civil and not internet scream at one another. As to the allegations regarding us, we provide body armor at the most affordable prices in Canada so that as many people as possible can afford protection and we run sales for all many times throughout the year. In addition we have been donating 20% of ALL of our sales to the ccfr to fight against the OIC. We are gun owners here and are doing our part to preserve the few firearms rights we are allowed to have. As to discounts to Military and first responders we are not the only ones to offer discounts and most businesses in this industry offer discounts or directly supply first responders and the "government goons". In response to the debates about the police, we feel that every group of people is composed of just that, people. Generally we are of the belief that if the "government goons" are on CGN there is a good chance they are gun owners and support the same position on firearms rights that everyone on this site shares. # As a final note we would just ask all fo you to engage in civil discussion. We are fine with allowing this thread to be used to discuss your opinions on the police but we don't want it to descend into screaming and insults to one another. We thank all those who are engaging in civil discussion even if it is disagreeing with what we are doing.#
 
You do not see what you are really saying Which is we are doubling the discounts for law enforcement and to maintain our solvency we have to make hirer margins on regular cgn members that support or business. You seem shocked and amazed that some people would not like this. Comparing that to contractor pricing is disingenuous. I get contractor pricing I spend hundreds of thousands in building materials. Firms give me pricing to increase their profitability and remain open. It is not the little old lady that buys a 2x4 that is keeping the staff employed.

You on the other hand have decided to ignore your high value clients and to pander to a demographic that does not really support you. Well good luck with your improved business model hope everything works out fine. Hopefully you can do great no longer serving the gun community.
 
JBD said:
You do not see what you are really saying Which is we are doubling the discounts for law enforcement and to maintain our solvency we have to make hirer margins on regular cgn members that support or business. You seem shocked and amazed that some people would not like this. Comparing that to contractor pricing is disingenuous. I get contractor pricing I spend hundreds of thousands in building materials. Firms give me pricing to increase their profitability and remain open. It is not the little old lady that buys a 2x4 that is keeping the staff employed.

You on the other hand have decided to ignore your high value clients and to pander to a demographic that does not really support you. Well good luck with your improved business model hope everything works out fine. Hopefully you can do great no longer serving the gun community.
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I feel like we fundamentally disagree on this point, which is completely fine. First of all how are we no longer serving the gun community? We are doing the best that we can and taking a vast part of our margins to donate to causes that are directly helping the gun community. If you view it in a manner, everyone who purchases is getting a 20% discount and that money isn’t going into our pockets it is going directly to helping the firearms community as a whole. As to the contractor pricing we are essentially giving everyone in Canada armor at a price that not even the government gets. It is equivalent to everyone getting contractor pricing at the hardware store. As to the increased discount we wanted to make sure that those who are most likely to need armor will be able to get it be it security guard, paramedic, firefighter, or police officer. And on top of that an additional percentage of what they are paying is sent to help the firearm community as a whole. We ignore no one, we treat all of you who come in like our own friends and family, and do our best to help you with whatever you need. We are on Canadian gun nuts, anyone who would be here is part of the firearms community as a whole. We have had many messages from first responders who are as passionate about firearms rights as you and I. We appreciate you being civil in your disagreement and we hope our response helps clarify our position and view as to why we are doing what we are doing.
 
JBD said:
You do not see what you are really saying Which is we are doubling the discounts for law enforcement and to maintain our solvency we have to make hirer margins on regular cgn members that support or business. You seem shocked and amazed that some people would not like this. Comparing that to contractor pricing is disingenuous. I get contractor pricing I spend hundreds of thousands in building materials. Firms give me pricing to increase their profitability and remain open. It is not the little old lady that buys a 2x4 that is keeping the staff employed.

You on the other hand have decided to ignore your high value clients and to pander to a demographic that does not really support you. Well good luck with your improved business model hope everything works out fine. Hopefully you can do great no longer serving the gun community.
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You are literally attacking a business that is taking 20 percent of their earnings to support firearms rights. There is no need to drive a wedge between us. We are all on this together and if we do not stand united we will lose everything. The fact that you do not value and exclude a significant part of our firearms community such as law enforcement means we have already lost. Divided we fall...
 
brandon_ha said:
I know it’s difficult math, but you do realize that no matter how the discount is applied it also takes away form what is being donated, right? You can understand that, can’t you paul?
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Yes the math is a little complicated and I think it is you that is not quite understanding as your math does not factor in most people would never purchase items at the regular price. It takes a discount to motivate people to even consider purchasing in the first place...so you can take 20% from a discounted amount or you take 20% from nothing...
 
mdbuckle said:
Yes the math is a little complicated and I think it is you that is not quite understanding as your math does not factor in most people would never purchase items at the regular price. It takes a discount to motivate people to even consider purchasing in the first place...so you can take 20% from a discounted amount or you take 20% from nothing...
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100% - Family members may be getting some body armor this year for Christmas.... and 20% goes to CCFR... win/win.

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mdbuckle said:
Yes the math is a little complicated and I think it is you that is not quite understanding as your math does not factor in most people would never purchase items at the regular price. It takes a discount to motivate people to even consider purchasing in the first place...so you can take 20% from a discounted amount or you take 20% from nothing...
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Which is why the discount only goes to "first responders" and not the general public? Obviously it's not such a big motivator for others...

Once again, you can justify your benefit all you want. It's not an apolitical statement on the part of AItactical.

Declaring that you don't think this companies products are worth the price others have to pay for them is a pretty interesting endorsement though...
 
brandon_ha said:
Which is why the discount only goes to "first responders" and not the general public? Obviously it's not such a big motivator for others...

Once again, you can justify your benefit all you want. It's not an apolitical statement on the part of AItactical.

Declaring that you don't think this companies products are worth the price others have to pay for them is a pretty interesting endorsement though...
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We all were offered the same discount as CGN members not that long ago...sales and discounts are usually on a rotation. Wait a bit and it will be on sale for everyone again. Standard business practice and economics...generally nothing is worth buying at regular price...
 
I am not attacking AIT tactical solutions. Me made a marketing decision pricing is a marketing decision. It sends a message to the market. The message that he wanted to send was how much he cares about police and first responders that he is doubling their discount. Great guy wonderful except there are other messages coming from his marketing decision that are being received by his clientele that he probably does not want to be interpreted that way. Loads of them and some are particularly nasty things that people can easily infer from his marketing decision.

For example he could have simply stated that he was doubling discounts to first responders during this uncertain times. That might be fairly well received. My wife is a nurse and we have an outbreak of Covid-19 in the city and particularly affected is the hospital staff. Mcdonalds is giving a free coffee to the hospital workers as a token of their appreciation. That marketing decision is well received by the hospital workers and the community as a nice show of support in these trying times.

However this retailer decided to match the discount with an advertisement on body armour. One of the unintended messages probably I don't think he is that bad of a guy to think this but it can still be interpreted this way. I am offering a discount to the police for body armour so they can have easier access to protect themselves, but the rest of you well I do not care as much about your safety so you must pay full price.

Do I think he thinks this no not really. I think he just did not realize how this decision could go sideways so bad because he could not anticipate the likely reaction to his marketing.

A lot of folks expressed their insult and frustration, but could not express themselves why. I tried to inform him that this is the message that he is sending rather than take it as constructive critism. He doubles down. He keeps responding I am making a donation to CCFR legal fund so your concerns insult and frustration are irrelevant. Nobody is complaining about his support to CCFR. They are all complaining about this marketing decision. He might be able to make great pancakes to and may do hundreds of wonderful things in his community. We are only complaining about how your marketing decision is being interpreted.

A better strategy would be to say opps I tried my best to help people that needed help I did not mean to insult you guys, that certainly was not my intention. I value the lives of all my customers not just the police. Alternative you can lock the thread, maybe delete it or continue to defend your marketing decision that has offended many of your customers. I would have bought those plates it is a good price and I like that they are made in Canada. But I can not buy from a retailer that apparently does not value my life as much as others.
 
I understand where you are coming from. You made your point very well and I respect your point of view. I personally do not feel that if business offers a certain group a discount that they do not value their other customers though. I have friends and colleagues that are now considering having body armour for work that would never have considered it before because of the discount so I am motivated for that reason alone...
 
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brandon_ha said:
I know it’s difficult math, but you do realize that no matter how the discount is applied it also takes away form what is being donated, right? You can understand that, can’t you paul?
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There’s a few blocks in Seattle where you can voice your concerns :cool:

When not in that autonomous zone, dealers are free to do what they wish, and you are free to not buy from them. We have little freedom left these days- but this is one!
 
brandon_ha said:
Which is why the discount only goes to "first responders" and not the general public? Obviously it's not such a big motivator for others...

Once again, you can justify your benefit all you want. It's not an apolitical statement on the part of AItactical.

Declaring that you don't think this companies products are worth the price others have to pay for them is a pretty interesting endorsement though...
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Any business owner can give a discount to whomever they want. Democracy and capitalism is great.
 
vern130 said:
#72 here, I stand by what I said, you have substantial income and benefits and pensions. You don't need a discount on anything. Personal feelings aside, I don't care what kind of cop you are, I try and avoid as many as possible, it's healthier that way.
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I agree and less expensive as well.
 
vern130 said:
Why discount to those with huge safe incomes and benefits that working folks will never get?. And most of them are happy to bully, sorry, I mean enforce petty rules and smile while they fine you for a few miles over a limit etc. And most don't even have PALs. Totally happy to serve the dictator who happens to be sitting in the power chair.

Regular folks need the break, not these over paid lacky boys.
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You've obviously never had someone you love saved by one of these "lacky boys".

Sit down.
 
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