Emergency Response Team - pics

Sure you did kid.

Thousands may not believe you, but we will here.

Please post more exciting tales. Yours are pretty neat.

Ain't no kid-probably older than you.

You can believe anything you want.

I should have taken a pic and posted it.

Regards.
 
According to several use of force instructors I have trained with, between 60 and 80% of all police use of force engagements happen at night.

Also, you either are grossly under estimating how much a cop costs, or grossly over estimating how much one of these armoured vehicles cost. Most of the popular models are between 300K and 700K. Your average cop with benefits, training, administration etc, etc, probably costs 200k a year.
But even two cops a year would be a better spend than one armoured vehicle.

I agree.

If I remember correctly, RCMP purchased 15 or 18 armored vehicles. And I was speaking about border guards and not police officers. But I could still be way off. I thought they start at around $30-40k.

There are issues with NVGs. For an example, IDing someones face while using NVGs. Possible I guess, depending on the gen/ambient light but risky.

There was a case where a TRU team guy shot someone while using an NV scope. The guy was holding a shotgun outside of his house at night, got shot. TRU guy thought it was the suspect they were chasing but it turned out it was not.
 
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I agree.

If I remember correctly, RCMP purchased 15 or 18 armored vehicles. And I was speaking about border guards and not police officers. But I could still be way off. I thought they start at around $30-40k.

There are issues with NVGs. For an example, IDing someones face while using NVGs. Possible I guess, depending on the gen/ambient light but risky.

There was a case where a TRU team guy shot someone while using an NV scope. The guy was holding a shotgun outside of his house at night, got shot. TRU guy thought it was the suspect they were chasing but it turned out it was not.

Bastien case. More a c&c effup than night vision. Wrong address. Several officers fired 18 rounds getting 13 hits. Should have listened to his wife.
Technology has come a long way since then as well. Well worth paying for because the Bastien mistake cost a million bucks. And a life.
 
Bastien case. More a c&c effup than night vision. Wrong address. Several officers fired 18 rounds getting 13 hits. Should have listened to his wife.
Technology has come a long way since then as well. Well worth paying for because the Bastien mistake cost a million bucks. And a life.

You are underling my point... There is a lot of f'ups.

Canada is not a war zone.

When your citizen is able to see 2m in the dark, and you can see 150-300m with nvgs. You are shooting fish in the barrel.

On a side note, I wonder if that is what you are going to be saying about firearm owners who refuse to comply with confiscation directive? "Should have listened to his wife." :rolleyes:
 
You are underling my point... There is a lot of f'ups.

Canada is not a war zone.

When your citizen is able to see 2m in the dark, and you can see 150-300m with nvgs. You are shooting fish in the barrel.

On a side note, I wonder if that is what you are going to be saying about firearm owners who refuse to comply with confiscation directive? "Should have listened to his wife." :rolleyes:

The officer who was shot probably doesn't care what zone he was in.

Not sure that they even had nvgs that night. I know the sighting systems are long gone , and weapons deployed that night are rarely used now. All part of continually improving the response capabilities of the teams.

I hope firearms owners use their heads if confronted by police, if it is the regular police that come for their property.
 
Supreme Cop Leader Blair mentioned that the militarization of the police is a direct result of the civies having murderous assault weapons. I assume he would only say what is actually true. The ERT gear #### might be cool, but once the buyback is complete, all the cool toys will be taken away from the coppers. No more assault weapons will be out there. Peace for all.

The cops might want to hold onto to their toys, and argue they are not the criminals and the bad guys will still have guns regardless... but the public must insist the demilitarization of the police.
 
Supreme Cop Leader Blair mentioned that the militarization of the police is a direct result of the civies having murderous assault weapons. I assume he would only say what is actually true. The ERT gear #### might be cool, but once the buyback is complete, all the cool toys will be taken away from the coppers. No more assault weapons will be out there. Peace for all.

The cops might want to hold onto to their toys, and argue they are not the criminals and the bad guys will still have guns regardless... but the public must insist the demilitarization of the police.

You're living in a dream world new friend. History shows the opposite, an inverse relationship between civilian disarmament and arming of the authorities. Look to Russia and China for the more obvious examples - largely disarmed civilians, and the most heavily armed police and militaries in the world, with virtual untouchable status for both. Meanwhile, criminal gangs carry on as if there were no government.
 
You're living in a dream world new friend. History shows the opposite, an inverse relationship between civilian disarmament and arming of the authorities. Look to Russia and China for the more obvious examples - largely disarmed civilians, and the most heavily armed police and militaries in the world, with virtual untouchable status for both. Meanwhile, criminal gangs carry on as if there were no government.

Sorry. My post was meant to highlight the hypocrisy of the ban and the false pretences the liberals used to achieve their agenda. I do understand where you are coming from for sure. It’s just pure BS at the end of the day.
 
You're living in a dream world new friend. History shows the opposite, an inverse relationship between civilian disarmament and arming of the authorities. Look to Russia and China for the more obvious examples - largely disarmed civilians, and the most heavily armed police and militaries in the world, with virtual untouchable status for both. Meanwhile, criminal gangs carry on as if there were no government.
Yup.

Gotta admit I'm a little concerned by the cheerleading in this thread.
 
Having read history my whole life, I believe Canada is going to turn into a full fledged dictatorship if JT gets back in
Then we'll find out if Police value the communities they live in, or do their job for a paycheque
They have alot of firepower and equipment to use against people who decide they don't want to comply with that new regime
Will they actually do everything they are told, or will they be smart enough to say no you can't jail the entire force
 
Having read history my whole life, I believe Canada is going to turn into a full fledged dictatorship if JT gets back in
Then we'll find out if Police value the communities they live in, or do their job for a paycheque
They have alot of firepower and equipment to use against people who decide they don't want to comply with that new regime
Will they actually do everything they are told, or will they be smart enough to say no you can't jail the entire force

They will do what they are told. Ask Japanese internees, or property owners in Caledonia and Oka. They always do what they are told.
 
They will do what they are told. Ask Japanese internees, or property owners in Caledonia and Oka. They always do what they are told.

Sadly, this is historically accurate. Globally. Police do what they're told. They're in a position of considerable power by virtue of the job they are being paid to do - they can carry a gun where other people can not, which in itself, especially in Canada, makes them exceptionally powerful. Why would a police force, or even an individual officer, relinquish that position? So they could join the huddled masses, trying to defend what rights they have left against an ever more abusive police state? Even in the USA where in most states it is legal to have a gun for purposes of self defence, the police are tending to act against peaceful protesters and citizens defending their property, not against the violent mobs pulling down statues, attacking citizens, and destroying businesses. Heck, police would rather watch a parking lot full of their own cars (which they didn't pay for after all) than make a move against those breaking windows and throwing Molotov cocktails. It took a private security guard protecting a media crew to confiscate two rifles from an Antifa rioter in Seattle while police wouldn't go anywhere near the two police vehicles being looted.

I won't be at all surprised to see police hunkering down more, in Canada as well. Rebel News posted a video today showing just how cowardly are the police in Toronto, in the face of an occupation on the plaza in front of the city government offices. The police will go against media, defend the unlawful occupiers, and this will only get worse as direction from city governments and sometimes higher up tells them that they MUST NOT act against protesters.

Soon enough it seems likely we'll be left to our own devices to protect our homes. Antifa members and others have been making it clear over the past couple of weeks that the suburbs are next. They've tested the waters for a month, know that they are basically untouchable. Of course police in full battle gear will go in with teargas and flashbangs against a bunch of kids playing fiddles in Aurora, Colorado, because they know it's perfectly safe for them to attack a crowd of over 1,000 peaceful people gathering at a musical memorial vigil for a young black man who was murdered by police, apparently for the crime of buying an iced tea while wearing a mask (during a pandemic). Such an assault is safe, for the police. The police are not directly accountable to the public who pay their salaries. They are shielded by governments, and governments are only too willing to defend their police.

In normal circumstances, as in when police are basically doing their jobs well and society is generally calm and functional, I'd say there's no problem with police having all the gear they want, even a bunch of silencers and full-auto carbines as happened with the Saskatchewan Highway Patrol (that's a thing?). But in the current political climate, with police behaving stupidly in their own self-interest, providing daily examples of how grossly inadequate is their training and attitude, I'd say no, it's probably time to hit the button and start confiscating military type gear from police. They'll only use it against us if they get to keep it.
 
It's not about 'dangerous'; it's about occupational health and safety legislation, 'loudness', and 'due diligence'.

if they only knew.....its about that until they start complaining about burning sinuses and eyes. then they will remove them for health and safety reasons also. LOL

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