CPC Leadership

[BlackVoid]

Those people in Quebec who vote for the Bloc instead of for CPC give the government to the Liberals. .. For gun owners, I cannot understand why they would vote for the BLoc which supports keeping the long gun registry and backed the Liberals on the OIC.

Could you use paragraphs next time please? That was painful to read.

Because being Quebecois is more important to them than anything else. And this primeval gut feeling is usually correct. it saved many people many times before.

When things go south, and I've seen it, societies tend to fracture into smaller pieces. Quebecois will stick to their tribe, chinese to chinese, punjabis to punjabies, filipinos to filipinos, you got the point.

The people of Canada who do not have a tribe to fall back to, will have to create tribes along ideological lines. Or racial. Or something else. Like local communities, which is possible in rural areas, but not so much in cities.

 

[driller212]

Lewis will be my choice. The optics are good, minus the pro-life stance.

She wants to ban ### selective abortion, you might want to learn what that is before you label her as pro life. I'm pro choice and I agree with banning ### selective abortion, it's messed up.

 

[boltaction]

Could you use paragraphs next time please? That was painful to read.

Because being Quebecois is more important to them than anything else. And this primeval gut feeling is usually correct. it saved many people many times before.

When things go south, and I've seen it, societies tend to fracture into smaller pieces. Quebecois will stick to their tribe, chinese to chinese, punjabis to punjabies, filipinos to filipinos, you got the point.

The people of Canada who do not have a tribe to fall back to, will have to create tribes along ideological lines. Or racial. Or something else. Like local communities, which is possible in rural areas, but not so much in cities.

Sorry to cause your head any pain. There were paragraph breaks in there when I wrote it; I do understand English. I have gone in and fixed it to soothe your head. As for the "primeval gut feeling saving people" yes it can in the tribal state, but not in a democracy where voting for a small regional only party results in a disastrous government for everyone. However, that is my opinion. Just like the folks who voted PPC took votes from the CPC and we ended up with more Liberals....

 

[R005t3r]

She wants to ban ### selective abortion, you might want to learn what that is before you label her as pro life. I'm pro choice and I agree with banning ### selective abortion, it's messed up.

Agreed, that tends to be a culturally specific proclivity. Not cool.

 

[Mattdeeze]

Haha, nice, ya I was going to vote for McKay but he is a traitor and a closet communist , I'm going for O tool

 

[KanadianShooter]

Haha, nice, ya I was going to vote for McKay but he is a traitor and a closet communist , I'm going for O tool

O'Toole is the only candidate who has any chance at beating JT in a general election!

 

[BlackVoid]

... but not in a democracy where voting for a small regional only party results in a disastrous government for everyone. .....

I apologize if my comment about paragraphs came across as crass.

Voting BQ ensures that their interests are held in Ottawa above interests of the rest of Canada.

Since separation referendum Ottawa keeps shoveling money above and under the table into QC just to keep the country intact. Having French language fluency as mandatory condition for any high level position ensures a disproportionate number of quebecois in most ruling positions in Ottawa. QC gets a pass on many things legalistically, which would cause a ####storm if done outside of QC.

As you can see, voting BQ is a natural and only choice for quebecois. When you see them vote differently just means that they vote as Canadians, not quebecois.

 

[J.Hancock]

I would vote for any Canadian Nationalist who isn't a bigot. Someone that has eventual, humanitarian aspirations on their agenda. We gotta get right here, we need a world contending military and we need to eventually help everyone share in our prosperity/values. First, we need to make sure every Canadian is prospering. The resources in this beautiful land could bring almost every industry home.

 

[Rainin]

O'Toole is the only candidate who has any chance at beating JT in a general election!

Respectfully disagree.

A large part of why we still have PM JT, was because of liberal minded Torontonians, and Lewis has a far better chance for winning them over than O'Toole for a number of reasons.

These liberal voters, IMHO, will identify more closely to Dr. Lewis, but not for the sound policy that she has, but rather that she represents a big change over the Andrew Sheer/O'Toole types they have come to expect from the CPC.

Her being the political outsider / business woman / immigrant success story, they might have expected from the liberals but never saw, now find as the leader of the Conservatives and would be far more willing to hear what she has to say.

 

[cras111]

This. Exactly.

 

[trebor2880]

She wants to ban ### selective abortion, you might want to learn what that is before you label her as pro life. I'm pro choice and I agree with banning ### selective abortion, it's messed up.

Abos in any way, shape, or form, are the least of Canada's problems. The only one who should of had a mandatory abo, was Maggie!

 

[Jaaska]

My choice was between O'toole and McKay .. until the French language debate whereupon McKay told Quebecers that he'll give them veto power over any proposed pipeline . He has calculated , just like the Libs that he needs the east coast , Quebec and Toronto for the win and to h*ll with the west . By the numbers he's probably right but O'Toole will represent everyone so that's who i'm going with .

 

[murph83]

My choice was between O'toole and McKay .. until the French language debate whereupon McKay told Quebecers that he'll give them veto power over any proposed pipeline . He has calculated , just like the Libs that he needs the east coast , Quebec and Toronto for the win and to h*ll with the west . By the numbers he's probably right but O'Toole will represent everyone so that's who i'm going with .

Mckay is right, he will need Quebec and the GTA to win. Him saying that to the french should not surprise anyone .

 

[slarsen47]

Respectfully disagree.

A large part of why we still have PM JT, was because of liberal minded Torontonians, and Lewis has a far better chance for winning them over than O'Toole for a number of reasons.

These liberal voters, IMHO, will identify more closely to Dr. Lewis, but not for the sound policy that she has, but rather that she represents a big change over the Andrew Sheer/O'Toole types they have come to expect from the CPC.

Her being the political outsider / business woman / immigrant success story, they might have expected from the liberals but never saw, now find as the leader of the Conservatives and would be far more willing to hear what she has to say.

I think you hit the nail on the head!

The country has sunk so low that the only candidate deemed to have a chance should be selected based on ### and race!

 

[borsch]

You know what, I personally like the idea of Lewis as a CPC Leader and a possible PM candidate. Especially since the other two couldn't last a few months without RCMP investigating them spying on each other.....

Hear me out:
1) Moved here from Jamaica in her youth and made it as a successful Lawyer - appeals to immigrants and folks that like a good self-made story - beats the snot out of the story of our current "Golden Boy";
2) Is a woman and a PoC - honestly, a welcoming change from a bunch of boring middle-aged white men that our current government consists of. Kills the NDT's card (Jagmeet) and again beats the snot out of Liberals. Will actually play well in the current "race wars" - look, we, Conservatives aren't what you're painting us to be - we are much more diverse than you would like to believe. Anyone has a problem with our PM being a woman - think of all the work Tracey Wilson has been doing for us way before the ban and while our other two boyscout organizations were bickering over a logo.....
3) She has Masters in Environmental Law - so all those Eco-terrorists can very well go screw themselves.

Now, I haven't seen her debate yet. Gonna do that... But it's been a while since I considered any politicians coming up with a strong candidate, at least on paper....

 

[borsch]

I think you hit the nail on the head!

The country has sunk so low that the only candidate deemed to have a chance should be selected based on ### and race!

I wouldn't be so overly dramatic. She has a good appealing story and a lot of qualifications that a good PM should have.
Most importantly, she overturns the usual narrative that a typical conservative can only be one of the two options: 1) a white middle-aged guy, born into an upper middle-class or even rich family; or 2) a white middle-aged redneck.

I remember when Naheed Nenshi became the Mayor of Calgary. Aside from him doing a great job, he also changed the image of Calgary and Calgarians forever. At the very least, it shut up those who said that Calgary was a cow-town run by white rednecks pretty quick.

I honestly think that she is the best candidate (on paper, at least) that CPC could put forward for this election. If the usual predictions are true and we are in for an early re-election, then it will be dirty and there will be racist allegations thrown around like there's no tomorrow, our friend Jagmeet Singh is already at it in full swing.

Having lived in 3 provinces I can tell you, Greater Toronto Area looks a hella lot different than the rest of Canada and they vote accordingly. And they are the ones who elect the future PM, whether you like it or not, last election should have demonstrated it well enough.
It would be great if we could swing some votes here in our favor.

 

[Wendell]

So, Leslyn Lewis has as part of her platform that she plans to repeal Bill C-16. It's not what I think, it's what is clearly stated in her platform.

"I will also repeal Bill C-16, which attacks free speech, threatening fines and sanctions against people who use incorrect speech. I believe that Canadian laws sufficiently protect against actual abuses and harassment of individuals."

https://www.leslynlewis.ca/policies (Scroll down to Attacks on Freedom)

Let's clear this up. What she calls 'incorrect speech' is called general decency and common courtesy. Im so sorry using the pronouns someone asks, or not dead-naming (using their pre-transition name) is such a ####ing giant imposition. Nobody seems to find using Ms/Mrs/Miss for a woman difficult, so why is they/them or their chosen name so goddamn difficult.

C-16 added 'gender identity or expression' to the protected groups under the Canadian Human Rights Act and to the 'identifiable groups' in the Criminal Code.

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/c-16/first-reading

A repeal of C-16 would, in effect, strip from trans and non-binary people protections from discrimination under the Human Rights Act (based on their gender identity or expression). It would also mean that crimes committed against these people would not result in additional considerations during sentencing if the crimes were motivated by bias/discrimination/etc due to their gender identity or expression (like it would if that was the motivation for a crime against any other [defined] identifiable group)


https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-718.2.html




So, in summary, she'd like to strip important human rights protections from trans and non-binary people.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

If, in this post, you're making an argument against our supporting Leslyn Lewis for the CPC leadership, you're doing it wrong.

P. S.: Thanks for reminding everyone of key differences between Leslyn Lewis and Peter MacKay.

 

[borsch]

If, in this post, you're making an argument against our supporting Leslyn Lewis for the CPC leadership, you're doing it wrong.

P. S.: Thanks for reminding everyone of key differences between Leslyn Lewis and Peter MacKay.

****For clarity, I'm responding to original comments by l!fealert, not Wendell****

Yeah, there's a bit of an issue with "gender identity and expression" added in to the same list that already has "###" and "###ual orientation".

You see, there's a push in science for gender-fluidity and ability to change your gender identity any time you feel like it.
This is a bit of a sticky point, because it creates a criminal offense in a situation where, an individual is not allowed to decide any given day which restrooms, public change rooms and shower stalls to use. The current system assumes that you pick one identity and stick with it, but the new marching order is that everyone is gender-fluid.

Now, I know that folks in Germany, or Finland, for example, couldn't give two ####s about the above dilemma (since they use shared facilities almost all the time), but Canada and North America are still a bit more conservative in that regard.
I too can handle an occasional old geezer air-drying his sagging balls for an uncomfortably long time in a public gym change room, but I kinda don't want my daughter to have to accommodate that as well.

Also, dealing with somebody who is constantly sliding along the "gender spectrum" (yes, science is also being pushed to accept it as a spectrum now) and requires new pronouns every day or even hour can be "so Goddamn difficult" as you ("l!fealert) said. Too much effin logistics, if you will. And all for what? To accommodate 0.0005% population that actually have this going on in their lives?

I actually had a team member who went through a gender reassignment process and went from "Brenda" to "Ben" years ago. No issues at all he just told us one day that he would like us to refer to him as "him" and call him "Ben" and that was that. It took a few weeks for everyone to catch on, of course, but ultimately, it was an uneventful and unstressful process. But I can't imagine having to deal with this change in the same person more than once, and yet this is what is being preached with the "gender is a spectrum and we are allowed to be gender-fluid" now.

 

[slarsen47]

I wouldn't be so overly dramatic. She has a good appealing story and a lot of qualifications that a good PM should have.
Most importantly, she overturns the usual narrative that a typical conservative can only be one of the two options: 1) a white middle-aged guy, born into an upper middle-class or even rich family; or 2) a white middle-aged redneck.

I remember when Naheed Nenshi became the Mayor of Calgary. Aside from him doing a great job, he also changed the image of Calgary and Calgarians forever. At the very least, it shut up those who said that Calgary was a cow-town run by white rednecks pretty quick.

I honestly think that she is the best candidate (on paper, at least) that CPC could put forward for this election. If the usual predictions are true and we are in for an early re-election, then it will be dirty and there will be racist allegations thrown around like there's no tomorrow, our friend Jagmeet Singh is already at it in full swing.

Having lived in 3 provinces I can tell you, Greater Toronto Area looks a hella lot different than the rest of Canada and they vote accordingly. And they are the ones who elect the future PM, whether you like it or not, last election should have demonstrated it well enough.
It would be great if we could swing some votes here in our favor.

I think it is pretty low to disqualify a candidate because they are either white, old, rich or liked the country the way it used to be.

I would NOT cite the Mayor of Calgary as any kind of bright shining light that anyone should hold in high esteem.

The political and demographic reality of GTA and Vancouver is what it is. And it will NOT be Conservative.

This next election will reinforce the need for western separation or some kind of sovereignty association that gives the west power over their own affairs.

 

[J.Hancock]

So, Leslyn Lewis has as part of her platform that she plans to repeal Bill C-16. It's not what I think, it's what is clearly stated in her platform.

"I will also repeal Bill C-16, which attacks free speech, threatening fines and sanctions against people who use incorrect speech. I believe that Canadian laws sufficiently protect against actual abuses and harassment of individuals."

https://www.leslynlewis.ca/policies (Scroll down to Attacks on Freedom)

Let's clear this up. What she calls 'incorrect speech' is called general decency and common courtesy. Im so sorry using the pronouns someone asks, or not dead-naming (using their pre-transition name) is such a ####ing giant imposition. Nobody seems to find using Ms/Mrs/Miss for a woman difficult, so why is they/them or their chosen name so goddamn difficult.

C-16 added 'gender identity or expression' to the protected groups under the Canadian Human Rights Act and to the 'identifiable groups' in the Criminal Code.

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/c-16/first-reading

A repeal of C-16 would, in effect, strip from trans and non-binary people protections from discrimination under the Human Rights Act (based on their gender identity or expression). It would also mean that crimes committed against these people would not result in additional considerations during sentencing if the crimes were motivated by bias/discrimination/etc due to their gender identity or expression (like it would if that was the motivation for a crime against any other [defined] identifiable group)


https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-718.2.html




So, in summary, she'd like to strip important human rights protections from trans and non-binary people.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

All people are non-binary; there are over 7 billion personalities. There need not be a "special bill of rights" for those of us who cant admit to the fact that our gender (and ethnicity) is not a choice, rather a fact. ###uality on the other hand should always remain a choice. Men, women, black, white, ###, strait... people always deserve the right to express themselves freely and not be harassed based on their eccentricities, so long as they are not threatening the rights of others. Canadian's strive, IMO, to place one's principles above their personality, while not catering to principles that are simply the result of one's ego.
All Canadians should experience equality in dealings with any institution that represents our collective.

i.e: If you have a Y chromosome, you are male; if you like the colour pink, you need not be judged differently than someone who likes the colour blue.