no5 Jungle Carbine any experts to tell me about this

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Hey guys

I saw a no5 jungle carbine for sale it wasn't on CGN EE but semi locally and I drove a couple hours to check it out and it looks in great shape and the rifling and barrel look outstanding so I bought it for that reason mainly. I have been eyeing one of these for awhile they look pretty sweet and about the only milsurp that interests me probably cause its a carbine and shorter.

The guy told me he's had it himself almost 30 years and that its a shirley and matching but it does have a thick paint on it I thought might be that suncorite but i cannot see really much but i can make out a few numbers I took some pics and ill add the link to see them but ya if anyone knows about milsurps want to chime in and let me know what I got I would appreciate it.

I do know it's a no5 and not a converted no4 because of the barrel cuts and the lightning cuts on the receiver so i didn't fall for that scam :d but other then that any info you could tell me or requests for more pics of places i didn't post let me know.

In the photo of the back band for the stock I can make out Engl then under that 1945 then where its scraped off you can make out BD8982

School is in teach me !

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I'm giving it a few loving coats of linseed oil but ya looking for some info thanks guys
 
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M47C on the barrel is a Shirley code adopted after 1944 so that checks out, the serial on the bolt and shank appear not to match, which isn’t great but not the end of the world. I seem to see a 1945 date on the wrist but it’s hard to make out, if so it looks like a war time Jungle Carbine. The stock looks like it may have been varnished though it’s hard to tell. The paint does indeed look like suncorite
 
MattE93 said:
M47C on the barrel is a Shirley code adopted after 1944 so that checks out, the serial on the bolt and shank appear not to match, which isn’t great but not the end of the world. I seem to see a 1945 date on the wrist but it’s hard to make out, if so it looks like a war time Jungle Carbine. The stock looks like it may have been varnished though it’s hard to tell. The paint does indeed look like suncorite
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Ya i can make out 1945 under the paint not being able to see the receiver markings is bugging me tho lol
I put a couple fresh coats of linseed oil on the wood so far so thats why its shiny its just wet i just did it an hour ago, bummer he said it was matching oh well i bought it because of the excellent condition of the barrel and rifling and do some shooting with it over being a collector piece.
He said the markings on the buttstock were regiment markings tho BWS552 it looks like all weirdly arranged tho
 
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Ah got you on the linseed oil, the sheen looks like varnish but I just did a really dry carcano with linseed I get what you mean about that wet look. It very well could be matching, it was hard to see the number on the wrist.

The wrist serial starting with BD is a genuine BSA Shirley serial numbers, while the N serial number on the bolt is a Fazakerley serial.

What did you pay for it if you don’t mind me asking?
 
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MattE93 said:
Ah got you on the linseed oil, the sheen looks like varnish but I just did a really dry carcano with linseed I get what you mean about that wet look. It very well could be matching, it was hard to see the number on the wrist.
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I kind of on one hand want to get it refinished to get rid of the chips and metal showing but if it's really all original and matching I don't want to be that #### that does that after its survived 75 years without being messed with. If it's already been messed with i wouldn't feel too bad if I did get it refinished there is a place i saw online in saskatchewan that does lee enfields if anyone knows anything about them ?
 
I wouldn’t recommend refinishing it, you’ll have a really hard time getting your money back if you ever sell it unless you got a really good deal. The chipped paint and scuffs are part of its history

War time produced shirleys are relatively rare in their own right, I don’t see them for sale often
 
MattE93 said:
I wouldn’t recommend refinishing it, you’ll have a really hard time getting your money back if you ever sell it unless you got a really good deal. The chipped paint and scuffs are part of its history
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Ya thats what Supernova says too, if it shoots good tho I doubt I would look to resell it I paid $600 for it, There were a couple on the EE that I thought were interesting but sold before i could jump on them so after seeing the barrel and rifling I thought i would jump on this one
 
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My concern now i guess is headspacing if that isn't the original bolt that might be an issue or no ?
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Good question, head spacing issues are blown out of proportion IMO on Enfields. If you know someone who is machinist they are super easy to make for .303 brit
 
Three main factories made all of the British made Enfield rifles throughout the war, Birmingham Small Arms (BSA) at Shirley, Maltby, and Fazakerely, they were also made at Savage in the US, and at Longbranch in Canada. Of those factories only BSA Shirley and Faz made the No.5 rifles colloquially called the Jungle Carbine even though they were originally designed for paratrooper use

What the above post is talking about is known as rim lock where the rim of the top cartridge ends up behind the next rim preventing the bolt from pushing it into the chamber, the soviets got around this with an interrupter that disconnected the top round in the mag from the rest. In British rifles the slope of the magazine bottoms should solve this. One way to ensure this rim lock doesn’t happen is to load strippers correctly as indicated above. The other way is when you push rounds out of the stipper push them down hard and the mag will arrange them so they don’t lock up.
 
They’re for sure a nice milsurp. Smooth as butter bolts, probably the best sights of any milsurp, accurate, powerful for hunting.

Now that you’ve been bitten by the milsurp bug there is no going back. I said all I want is a K98 about a year ago. Since then I’ve bought a No.4, carcano, mosin, Enfield revolver, and a Canadian S&W M&P Hand ejector
 
Shirley is a town and district of the Metropolitan Borough of Solihull, in the county of West Midlands, England. Historically part of Warwickshire, it is a residential and shopping neighbourhood, and a suburb/sub-town of Solihull. Neighbouring districts include Shirley Heath, Sharmans Cross, Solihull Lodge, Monkspath, Cranmore and the Hall Green district of Birmingham.
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I hate to say it but this rifle is far from original. The black paint looks nothing like any suncorite I’ve ever seen but my bigger concern is the back sight attachment to the receiver. From the pictures it looks to me as if the original Back sight pivot points have been cut off and then pieces fabricated and attached at the back of the receiver. If this is what I’m seeing I’d suggest you get your money back.
 
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I hate to say it but this rifle is far from original. The black paint looks nothing like any suncorite I’ve ever seen but my bigger concern is the back sight attachment to the receiver. From the pictures it looks to me as if the original Back sight pivot points have been cut off and then pieces fabricated and attached at the back of the receiver. If this is what I’m seeing I’d suggest you get your money back.
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Here are some better pictures of that area

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I have reloading stuff coming once i get that and can shoot it that will be the test I bought it to shoot so if it shoots ill be happy. If it is not original that will just put my mind at ease to get it refinished without having to feel like a #### about it lol for the price I am disappointed if it is not what he said it was but it was $600 bucks and if it shoots i'll be ok with that.

But ya keep them coming I would like to hear anything people have to say about these, I think they are neat for sure the action is cool way different then any other bolt action i have
 
The on looks like it was cut off and almost soldered back on though I hope at least welded. Here are what mine look like on a No.4, so they are probably a bit different, but this rifle is original and matching so I know they are least correct for a 1942 No.4 and should be quite similar to a No.5

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