303 no1 frusteration.. A Group #47
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Appreciate this mate, have certainly come acrosss several of your posts in my searches of the years on Other forums worldwide in regard to the #1 303 particularly..... alot of great info handed out , ive noted much, great to hear a ttip or two though to keep the dream alive on the gun.
have you tried the woodleigh 174s? they are .312 so i expect decent touch, an now i have loaded 43grains up 43.5 and 44gr of varget with the 174ppsn, idea is to heat up the bullet a little an fill the gap - per say-
if the premiums fail i will certainly look into a cheaper cup an core 180gr!!!
i put some 'hard' styro phone foam between the hanger an barrel and tightened but not super tightened the forened...."everythin else seems ok-
ive lowered my expectations to putting 2 Shots, at a gap of 1 min, to hit as bloody close as they can..... lol, an within where i am aiming at 100m! not hard to ask now... ####.
I have been lucky with my Ruger. Just a idea, have you changed scope. Mounts band bases are areas that can cause prob. Easy to think all is ok,but?. Sorry can’t offer more. Leeper is one I’d listen to as well.
WL; They can be finicky, but usually they can be made to shoot quite well.
My #1 in 303 is about 1.24 - 1.5 moa with the Sierra 180 Pro-Hunter and 44
grains of Norma 202. I know you are using ADI down there, but something
should work. The Woodleighs [174 gr] do not shoot particularly well in my #1.
My #1B in 308 Norma Magnum is an easy 1 moa rifle. [rechambered 30-06]
I shoot the 210 LRAB, using a big load of Retumbo. Dave.
My #1 in 303 is about 1.24 - 1.5 moa with the Sierra 180 Pro-Hunter and 44
grains of Norma 202. I know you are using ADI down there, but something
should work. The Woodleighs [174 gr] do not shoot particularly well in my #1.
My #1B in 308 Norma Magnum is an easy 1 moa rifle. [rechambered 30-06]
I shoot the 210 LRAB, using a big load of Retumbo. Dave.
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My Ruger No 1 in 303 British seems to be content with Federal blue box 150 grain bullets, as a matter of fact that's all I have had the chance to run through it. 5 shot groups of 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" at 100 yards, and I managed to draw a bull moose tag this fall so will hopefully be able to report on their performance. D.H.
So im satisfied that 174 Woodleighs and my Ruger are not friends with AR2208....................... best i can get is 2.5 inches with 3x, and it seems to put one up one down....?
the groups did get a little better from 43 ,43.5 and 44gr which is as hot as i wnt, primers certainly flattening as the load increased. im happy to load 42+ in that grain..but acuracy was ####.
i found some of these Speer 180gr down nearby for $72/100 so im going to try some of these, ladder test from 42gr up an see if i can better 2.5 inches, an eliminate the One up one down stuff......... this may be bedding or rifle related though?
dissapointed. i seemed to have goodish acuracy with sellor bellot 150gr factory, an last ok laods were the 150gr sierras............ is it perhaps a 150gr gun?
the groups did get a little better from 43 ,43.5 and 44gr which is as hot as i wnt, primers certainly flattening as the load increased. im happy to load 42+ in that grain..but acuracy was ####.
i found some of these Speer 180gr down nearby for $72/100 so im going to try some of these, ladder test from 42gr up an see if i can better 2.5 inches, an eliminate the One up one down stuff......... this may be bedding or rifle related though?
dissapointed. i seemed to have goodish acuracy with sellor bellot 150gr factory, an last ok laods were the 150gr sierras............ is it perhaps a 150gr gun?
id say random to a point that one goes up one goes down it seems. but they were all similiar looking,
Update as of today.
lovely rainy wintery weather and finally snowing up on the alps!
what i did was put a solid block of wood between the barrel and hanger - to replace my temp styrophome attempt.. i free floated the barrel and dremelled out the barrel channel.
i also added a piece of card as a washer between the screw, foreend and nut...if that makes sense.
i have some sierra 150s which i can load up just to see if any improvement over a previously used hunting load.. also some 215 woodleighs loaded just to see accuracy- also some 174s ppsn and some of these mentioned SPEER 180gr RN x100 in the local store for me. if nothing of these.......... IS powder goingto make much difference here? i have 2206h on hand?
using Varge tho initially.
lovely rainy wintery weather and finally snowing up on the alps!
what i did was put a solid block of wood between the barrel and hanger - to replace my temp styrophome attempt.. i free floated the barrel and dremelled out the barrel channel.
i also added a piece of card as a washer between the screw, foreend and nut...if that makes sense.
i have some sierra 150s which i can load up just to see if any improvement over a previously used hunting load.. also some 215 woodleighs loaded just to see accuracy- also some 174s ppsn and some of these mentioned SPEER 180gr RN x100 in the local store for me. if nothing of these.......... IS powder goingto make much difference here? i have 2206h on hand?
using Varge tho initially.
Loaded 42-43-44 gr varget for 150gr seirras---
loaded 43-44gr for the 174gr woods
previously loaded 215s for test sake , off top of head maybe around 38gr varget.
I'll shoot these all onto the Same target, different X though and report back too see if you legend experts can tell if its the gun, the gun nut or a combo of both lol
loaded 43-44gr for the 174gr woods
previously loaded 215s for test sake , off top of head maybe around 38gr varget.
I'll shoot these all onto the Same target, different X though and report back too see if you legend experts can tell if its the gun, the gun nut or a combo of both lol
I have never fired a Woodleigh bullet through anything.
In the 303 I use 150's (40 of 3031)
174 Hornady (47 4350)
215 CIL (44 4350)
These are in a Lee Enfield. If I was shooting a Ruger or a P14, I would have no problem with bumping the loads up by around 8%.
I'll have to look at what I was loading in the P14 target rifle but I was pushing 174's around 2700 from the 26" barrel.
In the 303 I use 150's (40 of 3031)
174 Hornady (47 4350)
215 CIL (44 4350)
These are in a Lee Enfield. If I was shooting a Ruger or a P14, I would have no problem with bumping the loads up by around 8%.
I'll have to look at what I was loading in the P14 target rifle but I was pushing 174's around 2700 from the 26" barrel.
is that a racism thing lol cos its Aussie? lol
they're pretty awesome
vanilla appeal but awesome by nature.
i went down this route early days an used 3030 projectiles 150gr an loaded them hot, it was too eradic for my liking, so i now use the projecies in the 30-06 lol
they were hornady admittedly an not partitions, NP just too expensive to test here.... i dont think much change from $100 for 50 tips.. im bleeding sending hornadys downrange here an there lol.
So, shot the loads with modified rifle............ hornadys are out but its consistant........
Woodleighs, well i only tried the 2 groups for interest sake.... 2 shots of each charge... look at this....
the top two holes were 43gr varget......... closest ive seen in a while.. or the 42gr was same line but out horizontally (i may of opened that up a touch i felt one go left an possibly first go right slightly of the target)
Looks as though i could potentially look around 42-43-44 gr maybe even 42.5 - 43 - 43.5 with the remaining woodleighs!?
an will try these RN 180gr speers shortly. but maybe the Rifle floating an hanger block did close things a bit, or not as random as before
Woodleighs, well i only tried the 2 groups for interest sake.... 2 shots of each charge... look at this....
the top two holes were 43gr varget......... closest ive seen in a while.. or the 42gr was same line but out horizontally (i may of opened that up a touch i felt one go left an possibly first go right slightly of the target)
Looks as though i could potentially look around 42-43-44 gr maybe even 42.5 - 43 - 43.5 with the remaining woodleighs!?
an will try these RN 180gr speers shortly. but maybe the Rifle floating an hanger block did close things a bit, or not as random as before
So, shot the loads with modified rifle............ hornadys are out but its consistant........
Woodleighs, well i only tried the 2 groups for interest sake.... 2 shots of each charge... look at this....
the top two holes were 43gr varget......... closest ive seen in a while.. or the 42gr was same line but out horizontally (i may of opened that up a touch i felt one go left an possibly first go right slightly of the target)
Looks as though i could potentially look around 42-43-44 gr maybe even 42.5 - 43 - 43.5 with the remaining woodleighs!?
an will try these RN 180gr speers shortly. but maybe the Rifle floating an hanger block did close things a bit, or not as random as before
You are not shooting enough of each load to draw any valuable conclusions. Try using a minimum of three shot groups of each load and use a slow rhythmic pace with each group concentrating on technique. Personally, I prefer 5 shot groups, the 4th and 5th shots offer refinement and confirmation... and I like to shoot.
Hoyt i understand on a typical day but i do not give a hoot about shootin 4 or 5 shot groups through this thing Ever...... sometimes i miss the first one, sometimes i need the 3rd one an its a coupe de grace... to be fair. (point blank distance)
im not looking to draw much conclusions, i just want a few shots to hit in the same spot give or take as little as possible, the hornadys are not acceptable now, with these loads, they were trial, the woodleigh load was attmpted last week so i was in the ball park to warrant if the mods were yay or nay..
if i load up the woodleighs again, an they land around that spot, its a go-er lol.
im not looking to draw much conclusions, i just want a few shots to hit in the same spot give or take as little as possible, the hornadys are not acceptable now, with these loads, they were trial, the woodleigh load was attmpted last week so i was in the ball park to warrant if the mods were yay or nay..
if i load up the woodleighs again, an they land around that spot, its a go-er lol.
I'm not talking about hunting, I am talking about load developement and getting your rifle and load tuned to the place where one shot is all you need.
If you are "guessing and hoping" where that one shot will hit, then you will more than likely need two or three
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