Recommendations for a 5.56 NATO or .223 Wylde bolt action rifle?
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Ruger Precision Rifle. Has the benefit of using 10 round magazines that allow hand-loads with overall length up to 2.600", though the leade is very short so you can't load them anywhere near that long without a throat reamer.
Picked up a CZ 527 in .223 after really enjoying owning the 7.62x39 versions. I opted for the synthetic stock iron sighted model for its versatility. Fired about 20 rounds out of it the only time I got it to the range so far and it shot a 1" Iron sighted group (ok fibre optic sights) right out of the box with no adjustments with American Eagle 223 bulk ammo. Couldn't ask for better than that.
Thank you for the input, philhut. I like the Ruger Precision Rifle's configuration... but it seems to be a unicorn in 5.56 today.
Are the ratings good for the Ruger American Rifle Ranch in 5.56? It seems to have a more modern configuration and costs a little less then the CZ 527.
Perhaps custom is the way to go?
Are the ratings good for the Ruger American Rifle Ranch in 5.56? It seems to have a more modern configuration and costs a little less then the CZ 527.
Perhaps custom is the way to go?
Fair enough....If that's what you are interested in from my gun experience I would wait and order what you want or you will end up with two guns lol. I wouldn't buy a rifle just to have one to make it into something its not, i'd just get the gun I wanted. If one of those precision rifles is what you want I suggest contacting a dealer and ordering one.
The Ruger Ranch rifle is probably just fine my main reason for not going with that rifle is the lack of iron sights. As a rule after being popped in the eye with my first air rifle I never buy a gun that doesn't come equipped with iron sights. Only exception are black rifles. If North American manufacturers would make rifles with iron sights again i'd likely own more of them.
Cool !!!
I have a RPR in 6.5 and have kicked myself many times for not picking up an RPR in 223 as I like the configuration.
I get the RPR is an entry level precision rig but mine has been awesome for me. Once I got the loads dialled I can hit pretty much anything I want. I like 223 / 5.56 (cheap and lots of options) so if it it worked out like my 6.5 I'd be pretty happy.
Just based on what precision rifles are available in Canada, 6.5 seem pretty common and would afford paper engagements well beyond 600 m/yrds. Due to Trudeau, I find myself in need of something that can use my current ammo,
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Needed a new rifle for my existing ammo... Thank you tax payers of Canada... I will sell the Government of Canada a few uppers or something to pay for this new rifle... oh, wait, that's me :'(
I'm just getting a very small portion of my paid tax back :'(
I'm just getting a very small portion of my paid tax back :'(
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Well, I received my PGW Defence Technologies Inc M15 XRS in .223 Wylde and the trigger system is the sweetest one I have ever used. Also love the bolt action ejection.
However, I just don't know what is wrong with firearm engineering in Canada when it comes to scope mounting.
With my previous AT1-C24 rifle from Armament Technologies, the Leupold scope rings snapped when tightened to proper torque. However, Armament Technologies admitted a flaw in the scope ring metal alloy and replaced the rings free of cost.
With my newly owned M15 XRS the rifle comes with a 25 MOA rail system. That would be awesome, if it were not chambered for .223 Wylde! 5.56 Nato's effective range terminates where long range shooting beings (around 600-800 meters/yards). My scope is likely mechanically off centered to provide longer range with a standard 0 MOA rail system.
Long story short -- at my expense, I had to purchase a 20 MOA rail system and install it backwards to offset the PWG Defence Technologies 25 MOA rail system. Once I did that, their standard rifle case (which arrived broken), could no longer be used, because the rifle + mounting system + scope would no longer fit.
Fantastic rifle... but needs a few further adjustments after arrival.
Love being able to cloverleaf shots into a quarter at 100 meters/yards!
However, I just don't know what is wrong with firearm engineering in Canada when it comes to scope mounting.
With my previous AT1-C24 rifle from Armament Technologies, the Leupold scope rings snapped when tightened to proper torque. However, Armament Technologies admitted a flaw in the scope ring metal alloy and replaced the rings free of cost.
With my newly owned M15 XRS the rifle comes with a 25 MOA rail system. That would be awesome, if it were not chambered for .223 Wylde! 5.56 Nato's effective range terminates where long range shooting beings (around 600-800 meters/yards). My scope is likely mechanically off centered to provide longer range with a standard 0 MOA rail system.
Long story short -- at my expense, I had to purchase a 20 MOA rail system and install it backwards to offset the PWG Defence Technologies 25 MOA rail system. Once I did that, their standard rifle case (which arrived broken), could no longer be used, because the rifle + mounting system + scope would no longer fit.
Fantastic rifle... but needs a few further adjustments after arrival.
Love being able to cloverleaf shots into a quarter at 100 meters/yards!
With regards to the "Ruger American Ranch" rifle -- I read mixed reviews and went for the far more expensive DGW DTI M15 XRS. Regretfully, being among the first in line means paying for development mistakes... but it is a sweet rifle overall.
Whoa you got some bad advice somewhere.
Any scope worth putting on a $3k M15 would have been perfectly fine with the 25moa offset
Trying to fix a non-problem by adding another canted rail backward isn’t due to a problem with PGWDTI’s engineering.
Ummmm, I'm confused. The PGW rail is 25 moa, if you replaced it with a backwards 20moa rail, you are not going to be at 5 moa, you are going to be at -20moa, in other words the barrel will be canted downwards, not upwards.
Any scope with more then 50moa internal elevation range would work fine. You didn't fix a problem, you made one. Now you are going to be zeroing the scope near the top of its adjustment range, instead of the bottom.
Why would one need a 25 MOA rail on a 5.56 rifle? That's 25 inches high at 100 yards (about 6 MRAD). Just 2.5 MRAD above my scope's mechanical bottom.
https://skytte.astrosweden.se/sv/articles/2.83.2811/ior-ior-tactical-25-10x42-ffp-ir-milmil-belyst
Now if I were to go out and buy a new scope rather than use one that came off a recently prohibited rifle... well, yeah, the Vortex PST GEN2 will likely do it.
By my math -25 MOA +20 MOA = -5 MOA ... which will work, but was unnecessary.
Had the rail system not been proprietary and used the Remington 700 short... it would not be a problem. But it had to be a completely custom rail with 25 MOA on a 5.56 NATO... Just saying!
20MOA Explained
There are many misconceptions in the world about what a 20MOA base does. Many of those misconceptions stem from perceptions about what a 20MOA base is capable of providing, and when it is needed on a rifle. Many shooters who want to shoot long range automatically assume they need a 20MOA base, without fully understanding what the base does, or how it can affect their rifle and scope performance. The first piece to the puzzle is defining what “long range” is. We sometimes get customers who say they are shooting long range, when it turns out they are only shooting 200-300 yards. To some, this would be considered long range, to others it may be the starting point where their rifle will be zeroed. Truth be told, to define “long range” it will depend on the shooters perception of long range. For the purpose of this blog post, we will say long range is anything 600 yards and beyond. Since many rifle, cartridge and scope combinations start to reach their limit with a 0MOA base around this range. Your particular combination may differ, but this is a generalization to explain what a 20MOA base does.
Source: https://warnescopemounts.com/20moa-explained/
My 62 grain green-tip 5.56 NATO round come up from 100 yards/meters to 600 yards/meters is 14.5 MOA (a 25 MOA rail system is almost double that).
How is putting a 25 MOA rails system on a 5.56 NATO rifle not over engineering? Let's blame the $1,000+ scope that has been put on it!
Not like the scope engineers would offset their mechanical center to provide longer range. Oh my, what if all scope manufactures starting offsetting their mechanical optical center... and blame the rifle manufacturers for putting a mount cant into their design (just sayin').
Love the rifle -- understand why a company would re-purpose a proprietary rail mounting system across all of their configurations -- but not very appreciative of an expensive scope system being called the problem when the 5.56 NATO round DOES NOT NEED a canted rail system where its cant is almost double its 600 meter come up from 100!
There are many misconceptions in the world about what a 20MOA base does. Many of those misconceptions stem from perceptions about what a 20MOA base is capable of providing, and when it is needed on a rifle. Many shooters who want to shoot long range automatically assume they need a 20MOA base, without fully understanding what the base does, or how it can affect their rifle and scope performance. The first piece to the puzzle is defining what “long range” is. We sometimes get customers who say they are shooting long range, when it turns out they are only shooting 200-300 yards. To some, this would be considered long range, to others it may be the starting point where their rifle will be zeroed. Truth be told, to define “long range” it will depend on the shooters perception of long range. For the purpose of this blog post, we will say long range is anything 600 yards and beyond. Since many rifle, cartridge and scope combinations start to reach their limit with a 0MOA base around this range. Your particular combination may differ, but this is a generalization to explain what a 20MOA base does.
Source: https://warnescopemounts.com/20moa-explained/
My 62 grain green-tip 5.56 NATO round come up from 100 yards/meters to 600 yards/meters is 14.5 MOA (a 25 MOA rail system is almost double that).
How is putting a 25 MOA rails system on a 5.56 NATO rifle not over engineering? Let's blame the $1,000+ scope that has been put on it!
Not like the scope engineers would offset their mechanical center to provide longer range. Oh my, what if all scope manufactures starting offsetting their mechanical optical center... and blame the rifle manufacturers for putting a mount cant into their design (just sayin').
Love the rifle -- understand why a company would re-purpose a proprietary rail mounting system across all of their configurations -- but not very appreciative of an expensive scope system being called the problem when the 5.56 NATO round DOES NOT NEED a canted rail system where its cant is almost double its 600 meter come up from 100!
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Doesn't the PGW rail come off the action? I thought it was bolted on????
Not understanding why you would get a 20 MOA rail instead of a 0 MOA rail if you do not want to shim the scope in anyway?
Really confused why you would want to mount the 20 MOA rail backwards. I doubt the barrel is that far out of whack from PGW....?????
Or better yet, get a set of Burris rings with inserts and just set the scope zero where you want it....with the factory rail..... ?????
I am sure you have sorted things out by now and enjoying a very nice rifle.
Jerry
PS... are you stacking the rails?????
Not understanding why you would get a 20 MOA rail instead of a 0 MOA rail if you do not want to shim the scope in anyway?
Really confused why you would want to mount the 20 MOA rail backwards. I doubt the barrel is that far out of whack from PGW....?????
Or better yet, get a set of Burris rings with inserts and just set the scope zero where you want it....with the factory rail..... ?????
I am sure you have sorted things out by now and enjoying a very nice rifle.
Jerry
PS... are you stacking the rails?????
