Has anyone ever used these little shorties?

gunasauras said:
Only applies when hunting.
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And only applies when being used with the longest shells for which that shotgun is chambered; if the shotgun is chambered for 3 1/2" shells, it doesn't matter if you can stuff FIFTEEN 2" shells in there EDIT (For Criminal Code purposes, I mean, not hunting; if you're hunting, then the hunting regs apply regardless).
 
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gunasauras said:
Only applies when hunting.
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it's a grey area since the law states that the magtube must be plugged to only hold 2. but if you have a 3 or 3.5 inch 12 ga , then the plug can allow 2 of these which in the case of a 3 inch shell for instance, could be anytrhing less than 9 inches. If you inserted more than 2 shells in the tube for hunting i imagine you would be breaking the spirit of the law- but not the text. Anybody ever ask a fish & game department about this? I suspect nobody had thought about short shells when the law was written.
 
gunasauras said:
Only applies when hunting.
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it's a grey area since the law states that the magtube must be plugged to only hold 2. but if you have a 3 or 3.5 inch 12 ga , then the plug can allow 2 of these which in the case of a 3 inch shell for instance, could be anything less than 9 inches. I beleive CO's check tube capacity with a pre-measured length of garden hose. If you inserted more than 2 shells in the tube for hunting i imagine you would be breaking the spirit of the law- but not the text. Anybody ever ask a fish & game department about this? I suspect nobody had thought about short shells when the law was written.
 
Mag-7

SDC said:
Like Peter says, most shotguns will have trouble with these, because the shell-stop timing ends up letting 1 1/2 shells out of the mag before they try to block the next shell. A company in South Africa makes an ungodly awful-looking shotgun specifically FOR these shells, called the MAG-7:

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OK these things are COOL!

According to a few internet sources (which of course could be wrong) The gun pictured above is actually a US civilian-legal model called the MAG-7M1 which features a longer barrel and fixed wooden stock to comply with the NFA's requirement of a barrel length of 18 inches (457 mm) or more and an overall length of 26 inches (660 mm) or more. So it may be non-restricted in Canada.

The original shorter Mag-7 would be restricted:
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Anyone know a source for either one of these in Canada?

Dr.Chris
 
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JohnC said:
it's a grey area since the law states that the magtube must be plugged to only hold 2. but if you have a 3 or 3.5 inch 12 ga , then the plug can allow 2 of these which in the case of a 3 inch shell for instance, could be anything less than 9 inches. I beleive CO's check tube capacity with a pre-measured length of garden hose. If you inserted more than 2 shells in the tube for hunting i imagine you would be breaking the spirit of the law- but not the text. Anybody ever ask a fish & game department about this? I suspect nobody had thought about short shells when the law was written.
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Huh? :confused: It's not a grey area...the law says 2 in the mag, end of story.

The regs are very cut and dry. 1 in the chamber, 2 in the mag...3 total. Shell size has nothing to do with it.
 
I have. Cut off the regular size 12GA with a Ballistic Products hull cutter. Add whatever components are needed to get the right column height then put in an over shot wad and roll crimp it.
 
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Yuri Orlov said:
Huh? :confused: It's not a grey area...the law says 2 in the mag, end of story.

The regs are very cut and dry. 1 in the chamber, 2 in the mag...3 total. Shell size has nothing to do with it.
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The Ontario regs say "You must plug a semi-automatic or repeating shotgun so that it will not hold more than a total of three shells in the
chamber and magazine combined" . For the magazine - 2 of what size? with a 3.5 inch shotgun my mag tube can gave up to 10.4 inches of free space and only allow 2 of the 3.5 inch shells in so I meet the law. but if I have 2 3/4 or 3 inch shells the tube will accept 3, if I have minishells it will accept 5. This is what I meant by a gray area, and was wondering if anybody had checked with the MNR for an interpretation. In my view if you want the three shot limit to apply, (the spirit of the law) then the regs will have to be rewritten. Probably the best be would be to prohibit having more than 2 in the mag - whatever size- rather than - as is usual in Morontario -prohibiting an object - an unplugged mag tube .
 
The issue to me is the price in Canada...the member that was selling them wants a buck a round...I can sure buy a lot of Wally World shells for that much and they're more powerful to boot...I see these as a very very cool novelty.
The price should reflect what you're getting a bit more than it does IMHO.







Strangeday said:
I picked up a few cases of them and wonder how many I can fit in my 870?

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Dr.Chris said:
OK these things are COOL!

According to a few internet sources (which of course could be wrong) The gun pictured above is actually a US civilian-legal model called the MAG-7M1 which features a longer barrel and fixed wooden stock to comply with the NFA's requirement of a barrel length of 18 inches (457 mm) or more and an overall length of 26 inches (660 mm) or more. So it may be non-restricted in Canada.

The original shorter Mag-7 would be restricted:
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Anyone know a source for either one of these in Canada?

Dr.Chris
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If its a pump.. why would it be restricted???? The 8.5 pistol grippers are well below 660mm with a shorter barrel than 18" I would LOVE one of those little guns. That would be a fun grouse plinker.
 
Wildfoot said:
If its a pump.. why would it be restricted???? The 8.5 pistol grippers are well below 660mm with a shorter barrel than 18" I would LOVE one of those little guns. That would be a fun grouse plinker.
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I could see a market for those thing too if they were non-restricted. Either way, I'd love to try one out!
 
I wonder if those short shells would have feeding issues in the mag-fed shotties that CanadaAmmo is bringing in? There would still be the potential issue of the short shells opening an inch back from the forcing cone where the designers expected them to open, but maybe that's not a big deal since they are a lighter load? Chinese metal... non-standard ammunition... hmmm. Who make that mag-7m1 again? :yingyang:

Looked it up: Techno Arms PTY company of South Africa
We wouldn't even have to deal with the crap from U.S. Homeland Security.
 
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CanFire said:
I wonder if those short shells would have feeding issues in the mag-fed shotties that CanadaAmmo is bringing in? There would still be the potential issue of the short shells opening an inch back from the forcing cone where the designers expected them to open, but maybe that's not a big deal since they are a lighter load? Chinese metal... non-standard ammunition... hmmm. Who make that mag-7m1 again? :yingyang:
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I dont know a thing about reloading.. but couldnt you just use a 2 3/4" shell and load them up lighter??? Cycle fine in a mag fed (cause with short ones you are not going to get an increase in mag capacity) and still have less punch???
 
Sounds reasonable to me, but I don't want to get into reloading shotshells. As an alternative to reloading, there's probably a commecial "target load" available though. I guess I'll sit on the fence awhile longer before buying my first shotgun.
 
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