DEWAT Firearms Thread

tiriaq said:
Don't know if altering an approved dewat would be a legal problem.

If the work was done by someone approved by the RCMP for deactivations, it could be a pig of a job.
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That's true. But I know a couple people who are absolute Wizards with a tig welder. And I'm sure that there's some people here who are too.

With the right amount of care it could be done.
 
This document is the latest edition of the RCMP's deactivation guide. Previously there were rather tepid statements on what qualified as deactivated. Hence the existence of so-called old specification ####-and-click deactivations. The Converted Auto class guns were imported under this specification. The problem was smart guys figured out how to reactivate these lumps of weld and steel to live real steel. Hence, the restatement of what has to be done to complete an approved deactivation.

http://www.firearmstraining.ca/deactivation.pdf
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
This document is the latest edition of the RCMP's deactivation guide. Previously there were rather tepid statements on what qualified as deactivated. Hence the existence of so-called old specification ####-and-click deactivations. The Converted Auto class guns were imported under this specification. The problem was smart guys figured out how to reactivate these lumps of weld and steel to live real steel. Hence, the restatement of what has to be done to complete an approved deactivation.

http://www.firearmstraining.ca/deactivation.pdf
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That list is back from 1999. I'm not sure if there is a newer one or if the RCMP are merely applying this one harsher than it reads. For instance, for semi automatic and automatic firearms, it does not say the bolt must be welded to the gun, it says :"The receiver must be welded closed to prevent replacement of the breech bolt".
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
This document is the latest edition of the RCMP's deactivation guide. Previously there were rather tepid statements on what qualified as deactivated. Hence the existence of so-called old specification ####-and-click deactivations. The Converted Auto class guns were imported under this specification. The problem was smart guys figured out how to reactivate these lumps of weld and steel to live real steel. Hence, the restatement of what has to be done to complete an approved deactivation.
http://www.firearmstraining.ca/deactivation.pdf
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This “guide” also states:

“It is strongly recommended that the firearm be deactivated according to the CFR guidelines as set out in the CFR Deactivation Guide.”

“Strongly recommended” is not “must.”

The fact is, there isn’t a true “legal standard” or test. It is up to individual interpretation.
 
pcvando said:
This “guide” also states:

“It is strongly recommended that the firearm be deactivated according to the CFR guidelines as set out in the CFR Deactivation Guide.”

“Strongly recommended” is not “must.”

The fact is, there isn’t a true “legal standard” or test. It is up to individual interpretation.
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The entire firearms regulation is based on opinion. If the technical inspection of your Deact efforts are refused, you have to go back and do the work all over again and resubmitted.
 
A court case in Alberta resulted in a decision by the judge that the guidelines had no force in law. But in order to get a gun de-registered, the gunsmith is signing a statement that it has been deactivated to those guidelines.
I believe caselaw in Canada is : When is a firearm not a firearm? When it cannot easily be made to fire a projectile to cause bodily harm. The mere removal of parts does not make a firearm into a non-firearm.
 
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I believe another factor is the ease with which an allegedly deactivated firearm could be restored to fire a round. Superficial deactivation is not going to pass muster.

Not "deactivated', but "demilitarized", "demilled": there are builders in the US who are taking the remains of Bren guns which have had their receivers diagonally cut into four pieces, with 1/4" burned away at each cut, and are welding them back together to produce legal semi auto only firearms.
These demilled guns are far beyond what would be considered readily restorable there or here. Difference is, in the US the restored gun is considered to be a new firearm. Here, it would be considered to be the original returned to operating condition, and therefore prohibited.
 
Marstar was giving away deactivated guns. I inquired if any of the parts were salvageable as spare parts for a live one and they told me not permitted.
 
call2arms said:
Marstar was giving away deactivated guns. I inquired if any of the parts were salvageable as spare parts for a live one and they told me not permitted.
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You would need to remove the weld(s) to get to the parts. A big no no.

**The following is not legal advice and is not recommended. Just a thought exercise**
You "could" cut the receiver in half, that would get you to the internals. Chances are most of the parts inside would be welded up and/or removed prior to deactivation.
To stay legal, at no time can the receiver be removed from the rest of the dewat prior to cutting up.
It is after all just a chunk of scrap metal art at this point and not a legal firearm. But the receiver is.**
Again, not recommended.

The modern deac rules are all over the map. I own a Marstar AK and a Wolverine AK dewat. One I can open the top cover, the other not. One can ####, no click and the other welded tight. One has cut feed lips, other not. Strange as both are modern dewat.
 
Fuzzy Wool Hat said:
Here's a question for you; If you have a firearm you need to get deactivated, that requires a lot of cutting and welding of various parts.

So....what if you removed all the parts so you had a "prohib receiver" in one hand, and a "parts kit" in the other?

Can you deactivate the receiver, and then put the unmolested parts back onto it? Is it still considered deactivated? Does a stripped receiver have to be completely destroyed to qualify as deactivated?
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NO.If you read the regulations , you will see that is not a legal dewat. a stripped receiver has to be cut so it can't be fixed, mind you every few years the RCMP/CFC keep changing the rules. my current sheet is a few yrs old now. You cannot alter a legal dewat .
 
hsatimmy said:
I just bought two fal rifles minus the upper receiver. Registration is changed to receiver/frame only and you only have to wait for laws to change (lol) to import an upper from the USA.

No laws broken and you can have 85% of one
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??!! There shouldn’t be a registration for a FAL lower, period. It’s the upper that is considered the firearm and why it wasn’t included.

Or are you saying the registration for the upper was changed to frame only?
 
Here at Wolverine Supplies we are licenced to deactivate any class of firearm. We have submitted samples of our work to the RCMP and have been fully approved to perform this work. We are not required to submitt each deactivated firearms to the the RCMP for examination. Approval, at least prior to covid, was very quick. We follow the guide lines but that does allow some discretion, our mags are not welded in place, actions can move, top covers can open, we have even deactivated Bren's where the barrel can be removed and all this meets the requirements. Most of our deactivations are done to order, all sales are final,there are no returns. If you have a firearm you would like deactivated please contact Wolverine Supplies and ask for Dave our resident gunsmith to discuss the details. We do not ship deactivacted Firarms until we receive the RCMP approval letter, a copy of which is included with the firarm.
 
A problem arises and is bound to come here as Turdo follows his European comrades...
"A new directive going through the European parliament aims to standardise deactivation procedures across Europe, introduce a ban on collectors owning deactivated category-A weapons, such as machine guns, and ending civilian use of semi-automatic weapons."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-of-uks-largest-known-gun-smuggling-operation
Soon even the DEWAT guns will be banned...
 
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