In 1970's I was very happy with 165 Sierra SPBT for my Win Model 70. Very nice groups on a target. Hit a running whitetail doe on the spine - of course it piled up right there, but no exit from the bullet - pieces of core and jacket all spread out, after hitting and not penetrating that bone. It was the only hunting rifle I had at the time, so decided I wanted something that would deal with bone better. Since then, I, and now our son, have been using 165 grain Speer HotCor in that 308 Win. We buy them in lots of 500 at a time. Have taken dozens of white tail and mule deer - he took a spike elk with it as well. Maybe we have placed all our shots better?? The load we use comes up at plus or minus 2,800 fps on the Shooting Chrony. About perfect, to my mind, for a 308 Win. I have taken several deer with 30-06 150 grain Federal factory and 7x57 150 grain Nosler Partition; and two elk with 225 grain Federal factory 338 Win Mag; carried, but did not fire 250 grain Accubond in 9.3x62 on my last "moose hunt", so we have choices, now. I doubt either my son or I have fired at un-wounded game much past 250 yards, if that far, so no real relevant experience beyond that.