#%@$in' Beaver!

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Just returned from my cottage up north. A beaver moved in, dammed up my creek, flooded a half acre of my property and is killing my birch trees at a rate of about 3-6 per day. The little bugger fells some of them and just leaves them there and doesnt even 'use' them, they just rot on the ground and it fells fresher ones.

I've seen many beaver in the wild and witnessed the trees they felled but never have I actually witnessed the speed of this destruction over a given time period - I thought it was over years not weeks.
I always assumed they felled some trees to construct their dam, and then felled a smaller tree once in-awhile, but never imagined they destroyed 6 adult birch trees a day even after their dam is fully constructed.

My grove of birch trees is rapidly shrinking, what can I do to stop it?
 
shoot them.try wrapping the base of some of the more mature trees in about 3 layers of chicken wire.should help.it is amazing how fast they can clear cut an area.its almost like they stay as busy as a beaver.good luck
 
dynamite, just kidding, but I you don't trap, i would have a trapper come and take them.

btw, chances are that there's more than 1 of em...
 
so they are legal to shoot in Ontario on your own land if they are destroying property? i always assumed they were a specially protected animal.

i havent actually seen this particular beaver but at the rate that it is destroying my trees i figure if i just camo myself up the creek a bit and wait its bound to come out sooner or later.

if i am shooting them for pest control, is it legal to skin them and keep the pelt?


also, if i purchase traps from LeBarons, and place them near the site (on my own land), is this considered 'trapping' and do i need a trappers license to do so? or is it legal pest control? i could place a trap and try and shoot it/them to increase my chances, i want to stop them soon before all my birch trees are gone.
 
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Just returned from my cottage up north. A beaver moved in, dammed up my creek, flooded a half acre of my property and is killing my birch trees at a rate of about 3-6 per day. The little bugger fells some of them and just leaves them there and doesnt even 'use' them, they just rot on the ground and it fells fresher ones.

I've seen many beaver in the wild and witnessed the trees they felled but never have I actually witnessed the speed of this destruction over a given time period - I thought it was over years not weeks.
I always assumed they felled some trees to construct their dam, and then felled a smaller tree once in-awhile, but never imagined they destroyed 6 adult birch trees a day even after their dam is fully constructed.

My grove of birch trees is rapidly shrinking, what can I do to stop it?


Look on the bright side,it might be good fishing in there after Bucky gets done making the pond for you.
 
there is a rapidly shrinking grove of birch around the dam now. after that there are only smaller pine trees and a distance of about 200m of brush before any other pines.

the nearest decidous trees after that are about 600m away as a small grove of russian olive trees, and after that the trees right around the cottage.

ive toyed with the idea of sacrificing the grove of birch right around the dam for the 'novelty' of having a beaverdam and pond on my land, but after reading up on them it seems that once that grove is exhausted they will just flood it higher so they can reach the trees further away.

im not really interested in owning a piece of property that has been clearcut and turned into a swamp by beavers. i was really outraged to see trees that had grown for 10-20 years destroyed in a matter of hours by a fat water rat.
 
Put your chest waders on and open up the dam where it's easiest to reach but make sure the water flows out rapidly. The beaver(s) will be there in minutes to repair it. The rest is up to your imagination...
 
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Shoot them and eat them!!!!! They tatse awesome!!!!

We did the same thing last year - fed the guys at the hunt camp for a couple of days too!!!! We made a boiled dinner with them.

X2 on the idea to break a hole in the dam. Beavers can detect a leak (flowing water from their pond) with their whiskers and they WILL fix it.

You can collect a nice trophy fur for yourself too!!!

Good luck
 
no chest waders (i fish from a boat) but i have a long collapsible gaff hook that i can probably rip a sizeable hole in it with.

that sounds more effective than just 'waiting' for them to show up to fell trees, since if there are several beaver then i guess more should come out to repair the dam.

i was just reading that if you completely destroy their dam in late fall before winter you are actually committing 'cruelty to animals' since they will starve and freeze in winter.
 
That happened a few years ago on our place where we had an explosive population growth of beavers. We were loosing hundred acres every couple of days to water. We went to F&W got a permit to shoot any beaver on our land and neighboring lands (with permission). Then we went and blew up all dams and lodges on the stream for a few miles in each direction. Most of my neighbors were on hand for it all especially when it came time to use the HE:D. It cleaned up the stream for a few years, then it came to manageble levels where we all could cull them down each year with minimal effort.
 
posted this on the squirrel thread

31. (1) If a person believes on reasonable grounds that wildlife is damaging or is about to damage the person’s property, the person may, on the person’s land,

(a) harass the wildlife for the purpose of deterring it from damaging the person’s property; or

(b) capture or kill the wildlife.

Agents

(2) The person may use an agent to harass, capture or kill the wildlife under subsection (1) if the agent has the authorization of the Minister or belongs to a class of agents prescribed by the regulations.

Exceptions

(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to,

(a) a moose, caribou or elk;

(b) a white-tailed deer, unless the person harasses or kills the deer in accordance with the authorization of the Minister; or

(c) other wildlife prescribed by the regulations, unless the person harasses, captures or kills the wildlife in accordance with the authorization of the Minister.

Scope of authority

(4) A person who harasses, captures or kills wildlife under this section shall not harass, capture or kill more wildlife than is necessary to protect the property.

Unnecessary suffering

(5) A person who harasses, captures or kills wildlife under this section shall not cause it unnecessary suffering.

Certain provisions do not apply

(6) Sections 5 and 6, clauses 11 (1) (a) to (d), section 27 and such other provisions of this Act and the regulations as are prescribed by the regulations do not apply to a person who harasses, captures or kills wildlife under this section.
 
i havent even seen these particular beaver so im unaware of their size in northern ontario... nor have i ever shot a beaver before.

i assume a .223 varmint rig is sufficient? 55gr softpoints or 45gr HP varmint rounds?
 
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i havent even seen these particular beaver so im unaware of their size... nor have i ever shot a beaver before.

i assume a .223 varmint rig is sufficient? 55gr softpoints or 45gr HP varmint rounds?

Either one will do. I've got a nice full mount of a beaver on my trophy room wall that was shot with a 40 grain ballistic tip out of a .222 Remington from about 100 yards away. One benefit of using a fairly frangible bullet is the lack of an exit hole, which is a consideration if you want the hide.
 
I would recommend the trapping route, just ask around and get ahold of a trapper that will come and catch them for you, that way nothing is wasted..
if that is not an option, a .22lr in the head while they are swimming is more than enough
 
Ontario Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act:

Protection of Property

Protection of property

31. (1) If a person believes on reasonable grounds that wildlife is damaging or is about to damage the person’s property, the person may, on the person’s land,

(a) harass the wildlife for the purpose of deterring it from damaging the person’s property; or

(b) capture or kill the wildlife.

Agents

(2) The person may use an agent to harass, capture or kill the wildlife under subsection (1) if the agent has the authorization of the Minister or belongs to a class of agents prescribed by the regulations.

Exceptions

(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to,

(a) a moose, caribou or elk;

(b) a white-tailed deer, unless the person harasses or kills the deer in accordance with the authorization of the Minister; or

(c) other wildlife prescribed by the regulations, unless the person harasses, captures or kills the wildlife in accordance with the authorization of the Minister.

Scope of authority

(4) A person who harasses, captures or kills wildlife under this section shall not harass, capture or kill more wildlife than is necessary to protect the property.

Unnecessary suffering

(5) A person who harasses, captures or kills wildlife under this section shall not cause it unnecessary suffering.

Certain provisions do not apply

(6) Sections 5 and 6, clauses 11 (1) (a) to (d), section 27 and such other provisions of this Act and the regulations as are prescribed by the regulations do not apply to a person who harasses, captures or kills wildlife under this section.

Night hunting

(7) Section 20 does not apply to a person who, under this section, harasses, captures or kills wildlife, other than white-tailed deer or wildlife prescribed for the purpose of clause (3) (c).

Capture and release

(8) Subsection 40 (1) and section 46 do not apply to a person who captures wildlife under this section and releases it in accordance with the regulations or in accordance with an authorization of the Minister.

Trapping bears

(9) Section 21 does not apply to an agent acting under subsection (2) who traps a black bear if the agent has the authorization of the Minister to trap black bears.

Disposal

(10) A white-tailed deer or other wildlife prescribed by the regulations that is captured or killed under this section shall be disposed of in accordance with the directions of the Minister. 1997, c. 41, s. 31.
 
This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter

(This is the State's Letter!)

SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2005.

Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

David L. Price, District Representative
Land and Water Management Division

** Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries: **
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County.

Dear Mr. Price,

Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond.

While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose.

I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.

My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or (2) Do you require all beavers throughout this state to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

I have several concerns. My first concern is; aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.

If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English.

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources(Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2005? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)
Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

THANK YOU.

RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS
 
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