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Is a 1941 longbranch with a 1942 barrel still considered a 1941 longbranch or is then an early 1942 barrel
Should be an easy question right . My feelings are that if you have a 1941 with a 42 barrel then its an early 42 and can no longer be considered a 1941 it all comes down to price in the end a 41 rifle with a 41 5 groove barrel is the prize and should be very rare and therefore very expensive as most of you guys know they were hastely built and sent to England and barrel production fell way behind reciever production in fact the early rifles were almost tooling set up rifles that still required lots of hand fitting and when the rifles were returned for repair most were pulled from service as the parts sometimes were not interchangeable ....this is one of the reasons that 1941 rifles with 1941 barrels are very very rare ...now lets move on to early 1942 ....you have most of the growing pains of a start up armory figured out and barrel production has increased and now you can assemble the 1941 recievers with a barrel ...a 1942 barrel in my humble opionion this makes it an early 1942 and no longer the coveted 1941 ..am i wrong in this thinking ...they used up the early receivers with the new type barrel 2 groove as they wete not worried about collectors 75 years down the road pondering the barrel question they were pounding out rifles because we were at war ....so thoughts guys am i wrong i know if im going to spend a ton of money for a 41 it better have a 41 barrel ...to me thats simple but ive argued this with others before ...thx
 
I was fortunate to receive a number of 1941 rifles in a Century Arms order years ago
Most of them had 1941 barrels a few had 42
 
You were very lucky i used to have a nice 41 complete in every way but devorce lawyers cost a lot of money .lol
 
It is the original LB, then you hope for the original stock and for end and matching bolt
But, most of that is a long shot. The ones I got were originally sent to Greece as Lend Lease,
The rest of the guns were 1943, 1949, 1950's, all in incredible condition in the grease.
 
Assuming this is a LB No 4 Mk 1 no star then I would be happy for the 1941 receiver date to determine the year of manufacture. It would be nice to have a matching 41 barrel and the 42 barrel would reduce the value somewhat. However I would still call it a 1941 rifle.
 
I agree a 41 receiver is a 41 receiver that was assembled in early 42 thats the rifles story so be it i would say that its value would be close to a 41 receiver with 41 barrel sometimes its about the journey the rifle had not the destination of its distinction
 
I don't discriminate re the barrel year. It's still a 41 AFAIC. Any value difference would be fairly small IMHO.

Most I've seen had 42 barrels btw. I didn't have a ton to choose from. Sometimes you take what you can find.


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Is a 1941 longbranch with a 1942 barrel still considered a 1941 longbranch or is then an early 1942 barrel
Should be an easy question right . My feelings are that if you have a 1941 with a 42 barrel then its an early 42 and can no longer be considered a 1941 it all comes down to price in the end a 41 rifle with a 41 5 groove barrel is the prize and should be very rare and therefore very expensive as most of you guys know they were hastely built and sent to England and barrel production fell way behind reciever production in fact the early rifles were almost tooling set up rifles that still required lots of hand fitting and when the rifles were returned for repair most were pulled from service as the parts sometimes were not interchangeable ....this is one of the reasons that 1941 rifles with 1941 barrels are very very rare ...now lets move on to early 1942 ....you have most of the growing pains of a start up armory figured out and barrel production has increased and now you can assemble the 1941 recievers with a barrel ...a 1942 barrel in my humble opionion this makes it an early 1942 and no longer the coveted 1941 ..am i wrong in this thinking ...they used up the early receivers with the new type barrel 2 groove as they wete not worried about collectors 75 years down the road pondering the barrel question they were pounding out rifles because we were at war ....so thoughts guys am i wrong i know if im going to spend a ton of money for a 41 it better have a 41 barrel ...to me thats simple but ive argued this with others before ...thx

As for Long Branch Experts 36 hamon...you're pretty close to that yourself!
 
I know its the history of the firearm but to me as a collector it would be very important to me that if i am spending the money for a 1941 rifle at the very least the barrel should be 41 ....again to me as a collector ....and for that combination i would pay quite a bit more then a 41 with a 42 barrel ....now you could say hey does that not mean that the 41 plus 42 combination in its own right could also be a premium as they didnt make too many in that combination either ....see thats the fun of collecting and posing questions
 
Tom i am no expert i learn interesting things everyday about my hobby i have been very lucky being around some of the ppl who worked at LB and CAL back in the day and they were full of great info i wish i had more time with them back then i also wish i had more time when i did get to walk around LB buildings before they tore it down ...ive been lucky to know some guys that make my collection look like a start up and the knowledge from them is fascinating ive been lucky to hold in my hands many of the rifles in the LB/Cal portion of skennertins books its been a lot of fun ....sadly most of my old collection is gone but its been fun ....
 
For me it’s more important that the rifle have the key features we expect in a 41. Receiver stamp and bolt release, low cut fore arm, button cocking piece, front sight etc. It would be nice to see a 41 dated barrel but if it’s numbers matching and had the right features it would peak my interest.
 
I think that the barrel being a 41 is a big feature if you are really lucky to find a complete 41 with all the proper bells and whistles you would be very lucky indeed ...i probably will never find a complete correct 41 just due to the nature of rifle being in service ...parts were changed as they wore out the rifles saw battle ,were damaged ,lost whatever and there werent very many built in 41 in the first place ..i know the gentleman quite well who bought most of my collection back when the #### hit the fan with my ex and every once and a while i get to see them ....i have some very rare rifles now but the hay day of finding these rifles at a reasonable price is long gone ...until i find what i consider a proper 41 i will wait and enjoy the Long Branchs and CALs i still have
 
How much would an excellent example be worth with a matching 41 dated barrel, matching numbered wood and all the correct bits??









 
Not sure I want to see the rest of the one in the first picture Tom.



I don't discriminate re the barrel year. It's still a 41 AFAIC. Any value difference would be fairly small IMHO.

Most I've seen had 42 barrels btw. I didn't have a ton to choose from. Sometimes you take what you can find.


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