9mm PCC of choice for ultimate reliability and battle type use.
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i have one and have massive FTF FTE problem that i can't fix myself with many tests ( diff ammo , mags ect .. ) tryed to find the issue with online infos without results , will have to bring it to a gunsmith once its un-banned if it ever happen.
it has run perfectly fine for about 300-500 rounds and then begun to malfunction , did touch it for about 2 years and pretty frustrated with it.
Exactly the same boat.
Haven't tested it but from what I read it might be thst we need to bend our ejectors to fix it.
I have several and have put a ton of rounds through all of them. My read on the ones I have;
Sub 2K-very light, handy, parts are easy to get locally & fairly cheap. Accurate for what it is, tough as nails, ugly as sin. Round count, north of 6000. 2 failures as I recall
JR Carbine- heavy, well made overall. Over 10K rounds through it, 10 years of use. A very good PCC, but needs to lose some weight. Parts are easy to get
Kriss Vector-Parts? Maybe. Fast, very smooth, unique, solid action. Way too blocky, way too heavy. Surprisingly accurate, 2200 rounds
My preference for a PCC? Rossi Ranch Hand with a full 92 stock. 15,000 rounds through it, flawless. Fast...surprisingly fast. Accurate. Hits twice as hard as a 9mm (.357mag), next to no recoil. Very light, thin, fast to shoulder, great in the bush. Close second, Marlin 1894 Dark series, also .357mag. A bit longer, but only by 4in. Still a very short little gun. Powerful, smooth, fast, easy to carry. Light, thin, fast to shoulder. A Red dot on board and it’s a force to be reckoned with. If suppressors were legal, it’s mouse fart quiet with a good can.
Sometimes “new” “modern action” doesn’t equate to “the best”. The Rossi was my go-to carbine for a decade, now sharing duties with the Marlin. They all get plenty of range time, but if I’m carrying a rifle for potentially serious interaction, I’d take one of the lever guns, in all honesty
Sub 2K-very light, handy, parts are easy to get locally & fairly cheap. Accurate for what it is, tough as nails, ugly as sin. Round count, north of 6000. 2 failures as I recall
JR Carbine- heavy, well made overall. Over 10K rounds through it, 10 years of use. A very good PCC, but needs to lose some weight. Parts are easy to get
Kriss Vector-Parts? Maybe. Fast, very smooth, unique, solid action. Way too blocky, way too heavy. Surprisingly accurate, 2200 rounds
My preference for a PCC? Rossi Ranch Hand with a full 92 stock. 15,000 rounds through it, flawless. Fast...surprisingly fast. Accurate. Hits twice as hard as a 9mm (.357mag), next to no recoil. Very light, thin, fast to shoulder, great in the bush. Close second, Marlin 1894 Dark series, also .357mag. A bit longer, but only by 4in. Still a very short little gun. Powerful, smooth, fast, easy to carry. Light, thin, fast to shoulder. A Red dot on board and it’s a force to be reckoned with. If suppressors were legal, it’s mouse fart quiet with a good can.
Sometimes “new” “modern action” doesn’t equate to “the best”. The Rossi was my go-to carbine for a decade, now sharing duties with the Marlin. They all get plenty of range time, but if I’m carrying a rifle for potentially serious interaction, I’d take one of the lever guns, in all honesty
Love your idea regarding the Marlin in .357Mag. I have a Rossi but really do want a Marlin in .357mag. Easier to clean up and to add an Optic which now is a must. I am thinking about unloading my two Rossi carbines 44amg/357 and pick up the Marlin.
As to serious encounters I just bought an SKS to do truck duty. I gave away my 1st, missed it so went for a Russian. The gun even with my eyes and pathetic ability with a rifle can manage hits out to 100 yards. Dependable as rain on the West Coast and with working mans accuracy. You can spend more but won't get much more benefit. the little 7.62x39 is capable for most things up close and personal.
Take Care
Bob
I tried my friend's latest version of Ruger PC Carbine 9mm with M-Lok handguard and AR style stock. Damn this thing is HEAVY. I felt that most of the weight is forward on my left arm, and I would need a few year' gym sessions before I could shoot it standing or kneeling.
On the other hand, an X-95 (5.56mm version) was a delight to shoot standing/kneeling. It was also heavy, but it was short and the weight was closer to my body so it was easy to hold for a longer time.
I'm also looking for a good reliable PCC setup, now after the OIC gun ban. Not many choices available now!
On the other hand, an X-95 (5.56mm version) was a delight to shoot standing/kneeling. It was also heavy, but it was short and the weight was closer to my body so it was easy to hold for a longer time.
I'm also looking for a good reliable PCC setup, now after the OIC gun ban. Not many choices available now!
Terry if time is not an issue I would either buy something to get you by now and wait until the Conservatives reverse the OIC which they are committed to do.
I if you can't wait ...the standard Ruger PCC is not as heavy as the M loc version and is dependable as sin in a cat house. IMHO it is the best option now in a 9mm PCC right now.
Once the ban is lifted look at the Beretta CX4 Storm (needs a Sierra Papa trigger kit) or the CZ Scorpian NR Carbine. The latter, with competition trigger springs isby far and away the best factory built, tested in real world use of any of the PCC's under $2K. It does not require filing, shimming, or tongue in the right side of your cheek to be dead nuts reliable, and accurate. Upgrades available are for the most part cosmetic. The right side safety lever can be a pain in the finger and the charging handle can be replaced..both for under $100. Add a variable scope or a red dot and you are in business.
The Restricted versions of both guns are excellent choices if you are only going to shoot and compete with the gun on ranges.
If you are in the can't wait, must have stage get the Ruger. Mine is inside an inch at 50 yards. Unless I put a scope on the gun with my eyes it will do minute of a foot at 100 yards. With a scope, well I will know once I have time to replace the red dot witha 5x variable scope I have.
Hope this helps with making a decision for those about to buy into the PCC market.
Take Care and vote Conservative in the next election.
Take Care
Bob
I if you can't wait ...the standard Ruger PCC is not as heavy as the M loc version and is dependable as sin in a cat house. IMHO it is the best option now in a 9mm PCC right now.
Once the ban is lifted look at the Beretta CX4 Storm (needs a Sierra Papa trigger kit) or the CZ Scorpian NR Carbine. The latter, with competition trigger springs isby far and away the best factory built, tested in real world use of any of the PCC's under $2K. It does not require filing, shimming, or tongue in the right side of your cheek to be dead nuts reliable, and accurate. Upgrades available are for the most part cosmetic. The right side safety lever can be a pain in the finger and the charging handle can be replaced..both for under $100. Add a variable scope or a red dot and you are in business.
The Restricted versions of both guns are excellent choices if you are only going to shoot and compete with the gun on ranges.
If you are in the can't wait, must have stage get the Ruger. Mine is inside an inch at 50 yards. Unless I put a scope on the gun with my eyes it will do minute of a foot at 100 yards. With a scope, well I will know once I have time to replace the red dot witha 5x variable scope I have.
Hope this helps with making a decision for those about to buy into the PCC market.
Take Care and vote Conservative in the next election.
Take Care
Bob
How the ejector can help on feeding issue ( wich is the major problem with mine )
Hi Bob,
Thanks. I do agree that the Ruger PC Carbine is very reliable. Yesterday I tested my friend's Ruger with aluminum cased ammo and various Glock mags. It was 100%.
I have no experience with any other 9mm carbines, but Santa brought me a Ruger PC9 in the basic form. Works like a charm. I use Glock style mags and reloads with 124gr LEE. No hiccups yet. Going to be my "tractor gun" this season. My nephew was shooting gophers with it a couple of weeks back.
Had this running while working today. Some interesting things came up during the 4+ hour conversation between a few guys who have used guns as a central part of their jobs, whether at war or policing or as trainers. It's a bit out of date as far as models of PCC available, but they do touch on a few familiar models. For instance, Keltec doesn't get a lot of love... but I won't spoil it, worth listening to hear that bit.
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Pick the -G version and use the 52 Glock mags you already have. Never look back.
Caution: oil it really well because everybody tends to drool on it when in the safe area.
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- Steel Town
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