There is a side discussion going on about a completely different rifle and debate unrelated to my original post. Please take it elsewhere gentlemen.
Ruger American Rimfire Long Range Target
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There is a side discussion going on about a completely different rifle and debate unrelated to my original post. Please take it elsewhere gentlemen.
You're right, there are more Rugers on the list than I thought. If I count correctly, the half-dozen or so others, except one M77, appear to be modified 10/22 rifles.
It's too easy to make unsubstantiated claims with a keyboard. If the Ruger American Long Range Target rifle is capable of regular 1 MOA at 50, let the results be posted. That should resolve the question -- even if it's done with ammo other than CCI SV, which is not particularly good shooting ammo. This would help to either encourage shooters looking for an accurate rifle model or disabuse them of the idea.
See above photos, this is not peer reviewed paper - just my thoughts on my rifle and how it shoots. I feel it is easily capable of shooting sub MOA groups with CCI SV and have provided photos of such. Please do not confuse me with Sunmoonog who made the bold claim.
Please don't think I've confused you with another poster on this thread. You've posted three individual groups on separate targets, showing three separate occasions where MOA or better results were achieved.
I'll reiterate what I said earlier because it's relevant and it's not meant to slight what you've shown. Shooting a few sub-MOA groups with a rifle does not necessarily mean that it can "easily" or regularly repeat such achievements. Without evidence, no one can know whether a few examples are representative of the repeatability of MOA groups. Sentiments can't corroborate a rifle's accuracy, but targets showing a number of groups shot consecutively can certainly go far in providing support for the contention that a rifle can easily or regularly shoot as has been described.
To illustrate with an example, if I were to shoot one box of ammo at 50 yards to give ten groups of five shots, I could conceivably get a few .1's or .2's. I wouldn't take those groups in isolation and claim that my rifle easily or regularly shoots .1's and .2's -- especially without saying anything about the size of the other groups. If all ten groups were averaged together that might give a more true and complete representation of the results.
Your rifle shows promise. Please let readers see more groups on the same target page so that a fuller picture of how it shoots can be seen.
When use you words like evidence, its hard not to feel as if I’m on trial. I just said I think its easy to shoot sub MOA groups, I think you are reading a bit too far into it. But I applaud your crusade for the truth.
I never thought a simple statement would garner such scrutiny, as mentioned earlier in the thread my goal was not specifically to shoot small groups as I was breaking in the rifle. Below you will see the center group was used for zero, others were fouling shots after bore cleaning and others were POA/POI adjustment. So for the love of all that is holy DO NOT take this as a measure or indication of the rifles ability or whatever it is you are expecting by seeing the groups on one page. What I can confirm is that when I decided to control breathing and trigger control I found it was easy to shoot noticeably smaller groups than I can with this ammo in other rifles I own. Of those said groups they were mostly sub or slightly above MOA. I will endeavor to word future posts with more ambiguous language and allow future evidence to indicate the potential accuracy of this rifle. Lesson learned.
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On another note, shooting steel is the best way to burn through your barrel break in:
Thank you, TheWhole9Yards. Complete targets usually speak more fully and precisely about a rifle's (or an ammo's) performance than any words.
Your rifle has potential. I have no doubt that with better ammo you will be able to improve on the results shown.
To the OP, removing the trigger spring altogether gives you around a 1 pound trigger. The spring on the trigger blade is more than strong enough to reset it. Not my idea, it's out on the net, but it's worked very well for me.
Good to know, I’ve also heard of replacing the spring with one from a pen.
Update:
After zero and break in of this rifle, I determined I had 11.6MRAD of elevation adjustment left In my Vortex DBT 6-24, which according to strelok would allow me to dial out to approx 270yards. I have a couple of matches coming up that will have targets out to 350yards, and wanted to find a solution so I can dial to at least that range. I found that the 4-16 DBT has 25MRAD of total adjustment vs the 19MRAD in the 6-24. So that was option #1. I also looked into Burris, and their rings with inserts that could provide more cant.
I settled instead on going bigger, it turns out the Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25x56 has 31MRAD of total adjustment (provided you do not install the zero stop ring) and based on its US MSRP would still allow me to shoot production class in NRS matches.
I mounted and leveled it last night, will zero and test out to 350yards this weekend.
After zero and break in of this rifle, I determined I had 11.6MRAD of elevation adjustment left In my Vortex DBT 6-24, which according to strelok would allow me to dial out to approx 270yards. I have a couple of matches coming up that will have targets out to 350yards, and wanted to find a solution so I can dial to at least that range. I found that the 4-16 DBT has 25MRAD of total adjustment vs the 19MRAD in the 6-24. So that was option #1. I also looked into Burris, and their rings with inserts that could provide more cant.
I settled instead on going bigger, it turns out the Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25x56 has 31MRAD of total adjustment (provided you do not install the zero stop ring) and based on its US MSRP would still allow me to shoot production class in NRS matches.
I mounted and leveled it last night, will zero and test out to 350yards this weekend.
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Nice scope. I have a 5-25 Strike Eagle too and quite like it.
Interesting though that the LRT doesn't come with a 30 MOA scope base given that they provide one with the Ruger Precision Rimfire. That could have alleviated some of the adjustment range limitations with the Diamondback Tactical scope.
Interesting though that the LRT doesn't come with a 30 MOA scope base given that they provide one with the Ruger Precision Rimfire. That could have alleviated some of the adjustment range limitations with the Diamondback Tactical scope.
It does have a 30MOA rail
I did that on my Ruger American Ranch rifle which has the same trigger I believe. It improved the trigger feel a lot. My trigger pull is a bit less than 2lbs now and almost no creep. Just cut the ballpoint pen spring to the same length as the original spring. I turned the adjustment screw in until about 1 thread was still exposed and put some blue loctite on it, easy peasy and no cost. Looks like you're well on your way to achieve your 1/2" @ 50 goal!
I'm a bit surprised that even with the 30MOA rail, the Diamondback's adjustment would still be limited to only 270yds. I've not used Strelok. Does it have a setting for rail cant?
