Bullet Moulds for No 4 Lee Enfields?

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Just wondering if there’s a bullet mould out there that’s a known winner for Lee Enfields? I’m thinking about casting some bullets and thought I would get the pro’s opinions here at CGN before I start buying moulds.

It’s for a 5 groove Long Branch Parker Hale conversion. Not sure what the bore diameter is yet, but it’s a 5 groove in excellent condition.

I’m thinking of a 180 to 220 grain, likely with a gas check.

Thanks!
 
I have had good luck with the Lee C312-185-1R. Also more recently bought one of the Lee 7.62 x 39 molds to try in the 303 as well. I have heard some guys had success with that. The one good thing with the lee molds is that they are inexpensive to try. NOE has lots of choices too. They make great multi cavity molds for volume casting.
 
The most important mold for a Lee infield is one that casts a bullet larger than your bore which can sometimes be a challenge. I have a Lyman 314299 and 311299 and both bullets are too small for my sporter Lee Infield.

I bought an NOE version 316299 of it that casts .316 and bought lee sizers so I may use it for anything down to .308.

Surprisingly the Lee C312-185-1R has been my most accurate 30 cal bullet to date sized down to .309 but that's only in one gun that it clearly fits well in. It's a modern .308. That mold produces what's called a "bore rider" style bullet where the bullet rides on the lands and only the bands and gas check are cut by the rifling. If your Lee Infield has tight lands it would make a great bullet and it's a cheap mold.

My experience shows that most Lee Infields will work better with a Lyman/NOE 314299 or larger. Knowing what size your particular Lee Infield bores out at is key to buying a good mold for it. Or go the NOE .316 route and then just buy whatever lee sizer you require. If I had to start over I'd have saved a bunch of money and went that way.

If you want some Lyman molds let me know! :)
 
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The Lyman 314299 works great in my Jungle Carbine. With IMR/D-4198 the POA is close to Military FMJ, under 200m at least. As was mentioned finding the right size will be very important. I have a LEE 160 I bought for my SKS. I will be casting and powder coating some of them to try at some point. Still having a hard time finding additives to make more robust alloy.
 
I have the Lyman 312299. I use it for all my 31 caliber rifles. All of my Lee-Enfields shoot very well with bullets sized to 0.312. I have the Lee 160 and 185 but really haven’t tried them much because the Lyman worked so well.I use Alliant 2400 a lot for cast rifle loads,16 to 22 grains for the Lee-Enfield, 18 grs is my favourite load.
 
The 314299 design usually works well.
Also, if you have an oversize bore or throat, you can powder coat to get a larger diameter.

As an extension of this thought you can "up-size" smaller dia slugs such as any .308 mold will produce & upsize easily with powder coat to whatever final dia you desire. I have done this extensively with .452 Colt slugs up to .459 and 110 gr .308 "plinkers" up to .313 for my 32-20. They both shoot extremely well in my rifles. I do shoot them at what I would describe as "common cast bullet velocities" with no gas checks required.
 
I finally got around to slugging the bore and it looks like I’m at .312 though it’s pretty difficult to rotate it just right with that 5 groove rifling. A .314 should do, but I am really tempted to get a .316 and then size down. Thanks for the tips guys!
 
Just wondering if there’s a bullet mould out there that’s a known winner for Lee Enfields? I’m thinking about casting some bullets and thought I would get the pro’s opinions here at CGN before I start buying moulds. It’s for a 5 groove Long Branch Parker Hale conversion. Not sure what the bore diameter is yet, but it’s a 5 groove in excellent condition. I’m thinking of a 180 to 220 grain, likely with a gas check.

A bit late, but having already walked that path with an exceptionally accurate 95L series 1950 Long Branch, perhaps I can help if you're still looking (or alternately looking for fine tuning). My Long Branch, BTW, the bore pins at .3045" end to end, and measures at .315" just before the first markings from the grooves appear. I have no idea of the groove dimensions for the five groove rifling, in part because that had nothing to do with fitting cast bullets.

In general, three things that I and a lot of others believe (at least concerning milsurps and very experienced older rifles):
  • How well your cast bullet fits in the space from the case mouth, through the throat and ball seat up to the beginnings of the grooves is the most important thing for accuracy.
  • The bullet design is much less important than getting a better fit - when the light flashes at the base of the bullet, it WILL quickly fit the lands and grooves once past the throat/ball seat and in the bore.
  • Some designs are harder to fit - leading those are longer bullets with a long bore riding section, versus bullets with fairly blunt ogives.
I have mould with a separate design in each cavity from Accurate, that by happy coincidence works not only extremely well in the Long Branch I designed and intended the bullet designs for, but also my Grandfather's old 1895 Winchester (circa August 1898) in 30 U.S.

The bore on the Model 95 looks more like sewer pipe through a borescope (never buy a borescope, boys, it will ruin your life); there MIGHT be some rifling left after decades of my grandfather using corrosive ammunition. Now the barrel has land and groove dimensions belonging more to a .303 British rather than 30.40 Krag.

The Long Branch, by comparison, was the pick of the litter after I bought 20 Long Branches back around 1992 when Distribucorp was selling all those Long Branches in lots of ten that they brought back from Belgium. After test firing a ten shot group at 300 yards with each of them with Greek 69 HXP ball after cleaning and mounting a no-gunsmithing scope, this one came out on top. (I wish I still had the other 19 at today's prices, rather than gloating at the miniscule profit I made selling them individually back around 1995). I finished preparing that rifle with a long day of hand lapping with a lead lap until it felt as smooth as a virgin's cheek (you young guys have never seen one of those either) from throat to muzzle.

So: two very different rifles, one having a horrible looking bore and the other one the bore of a rifle I got new in the grease with proven accuracy, then lapped to a fine finish. One that couldn't group with anything jacketed; the other that groups extremely well with various jacketed loads.

The short story related to the question of what mould designs to use is this: by adjusting the fit of these two designs to the two different throats and ball seats, I get extremely good accuracy out of both. Although each rifle takes slightly different operations to get the right fit. The result is particularly impressive in the 1895 Winchester (think similar badly worn Lee Enfield) that with jacketed bullets, isn't much more than a 50 - 75 yard hunting rifle. With the WFN cast design and rear aperture sight, it's now a legitimate 200 yard hunting rifle.

BUT, if I just grab something like Lyman 314299 that so many like, run them through a sizer, I get mediocre accuracy at best. That's not the fault of that bore riding design - as somebody earlier posted, you can do various things to tune it to better fit. You can beagle the mould (never done that), powder coat it (done that), etc.

But fit from the case mouth to the start of the rifled portion of the barrel is the most important, not finding just the right design. AND I also believe that the worse and more worn the throat/ball seat/and bore... the greater improvements you get from properly fitting the bullet.

There's lots of discussion that can be had about determining dimensions and then how you can adjust a lot of different designs to get a good fit. But I suggest that's where you'll get the greatest juice for the squeeze: determining your dimensions from the beginning of the throat to the beginning of the rifling, and then doing what you need to do in order to get the closest fit. Use your best jacketed bullet load as the standard you're working towards for accuracy.

In my case, I quickly learned 314299 was mediocre, even unsized (this is long before powder coating), and I opted for a custom mould made to size. I started with moulds made by Rob Applegate (before the magazines made him famous and the demand for his established designs led to him abandoning custom mould work). Since then I've found that Accurate is really good to work with getting moulds that turn out bullets that measure precisely what you specify. Now that powder coating has changed my life (well, almost), I'm going to have to order another set of moulds - the fit on the original moulds is now a wee bit too fat after powder coating, so I need some dimensions cut back a couple of thou...

In my case, I was looking for a cast bullet good enough out to 200 meters to minimize my use of my stock of Greek HXP-69 ball as well as 174 gr clones from Sierra and Hornady (when I could actually find them). With a little thought and work on fit, it isn't something all that complicated; most handloaders should be able to do it.

I'd upload some pics of the Accurate designs I chose and modified to use in my Lee Enfield, but apparently I have run out of space. Have to do something about that...

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OP, should do a bit of reading on various alloys - from the same mould, you can cast different size bullets - depending on the mix that you use - I have read up to .005" claimed over a nominal .358" mould - but have not done that myself. As well, I read that the melt temperature can influence the bullet diameter. So this is even before beagaling or other "tricks" with cast bullet moulds
 
++ on Noe! Nice stuff!

Their 316299 has worked well for me - even though it took a little learning (patience) on my part to get the hang of using the hollow/flat point tips. A very handy tool to go with the mold is their bullet sizing tool. I'm (cheaply) able to vary the bullet size for several rifles.

The trick with Noe right now is to get things when they have it in stock. I have read on other forums that a nice phone call to the owner may help.

Kermode
 
Accurate makes superb moulds. You can buy moulds with a different design in each cavity, as well as specify how you want any of the sizes increased or decreased on any of the dimensions (within reason). I don't buy many rifle moulds anymore, but when I do decide it's time for a new one, I head straight to Accurate.

Just a small section out of the .303'ish part of his catalogue.

http://www.accuratemolds.com/catalog.php?page=all



 
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