Dissappointing range outing

The test is to have someone you know to be a good shot fire your rifle. If their group size is similar to your own, you have a rifle, ammo, or a scope problem; if their groups size is significantly smaller than yours, you have a marksmanship problem. But first, as others have said, go over your action and scope mount screws and if they are all tight, then try a different brand of ammunition. If you have an equipment problem, change out one element at a time so you can identify where the problem lies. No point in changing out the scope if you just have an ammo problem. But if changing ammo doesn't resolve the problem, swap out the scope with one you know holds zero.

If you have a marksmanship problem, fire 3 round groups rather than 5. If you can't hold for 3 rounds, fire pairs. If you can't hold for pairs, find a lighter load, then over time, slowly work up to full power, heavy bullet loads. You might be able to find "managed recoil" factory loads, but its easier and less expensive to handload reduced loads with lighter bullets. If you haven't considered handloading now might be a good opportunity.

If the rifle hurts you when you fire it, change what offends you. If a swept back design, the bolt handle might hit the back of your hand, or if the pistol grip of the stock crowds the trigger guard, your knuckle hits the trigger guard in recoil. Either of these conditions will have an effect on your shooting. The bolt can be straightened and a knuckle deflector can be mounted behind the trigger guard. Maybe the comb of the stock is too high and the recoil jars your head and pounds your cheek, in which case the scope can be mounted a bit higher, or the height of the comb can be reduced. Perhaps the stock is too long, exasperating the felt recoil, and needs to be reduced an inch. Perhaps a better quality recoil pad should be installed. Perhaps the rifle is too light, in which case weight can be added to the stock. Perhaps you're afraid of being hit by the scope, and the scope needs to be mounted further forward.

Dry fire might prove to be beneficial as well. With the rifle supported the same way as it would be for live fire, dry fire and see if your reticle moves on the target when the striker falls. If you can see movement on the target, you need to work on your trigger technique. If you don't see any movement on the target, try balancing a quarter on top of the barrel near the muzzle, then see if you can dry fire without having if fall off, this you can do in the comfort of your living room. When the quarter stays there, try a dime.

Very constructive post. Some of the stuff has been said before, but kudos for the dry fire. Don't think that's a problem, but willing to try as many things as possible to get everything shooting straight!

I'll try to get the owner of the range to fire it next time to confirm where the problem is! That should eliminate a whole side of the possible problems from the equation.

I'm sizing up the stock to purchase a decent aftermarket pad: Will probably go for a limbsaver grind-to-fit. I will be ordering it later today.

I'll have to agree with Rob. A date at the range is still better than staying at home!
David
 
Sorry to revive an older thread, but I went back to the range this morning. Got much better results. I could also benefit from a newly installed limbsaver *drool*.

Was able to shoot a few different bullets. I got much better grouping than the last time I went to the range (with core-lokt):
accubond: 0.8"
berger (1er): 1.8"
berger (2ie): 3.3"
fusion: 2.1"

With the berger bullets (Federal Premium ammo), the barrel did get a bit hot in the second group. All groups consisted of 3 shots.

Appears the Trophy Grade Nosler ammo with accubonds 180gr will be my hunting bullets this year!

I did want to thank all those that made useful recommendations. I did ensure that the fore-end of the stock was resting of my shooting rest and not the barrel, etc.

Cheers!

David
 
Not to be a ####, but the 300WM is, generally, more than most people can handle. If you are already a self-described as a poor shot, a not only heavy but fast recoiling rifle like a 300 will exacerbate that. Personally, I think that you are over-gunned.

This comment has bugged me for a long time. I now happily disregard your comment ;-)
 
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Also try dialing back the magnification. I have no explanation but my groups open up when I am zoomed into 16x. Try 8 or 10 x. I know 100% is me and not the gun/scope.

I agree with this, 16x seems crazy high magnification for 100 yard shooting. I use 3-4x out to 50 yards, I find zooming into much can play havoc with POA and POI not being equal. This to me mainly arises from issue with parallax, reduced field of view, and less clarity
 
This comment has bugged me for a long time. I now happily disregard your comment ;-)

Don't think he was trying to be a ###### I have guided for many years and have observed that about 70% of people shooting the 300wm cannot get a good group. Some cannot keep all the shots on the paper. I'm not trying to be a #### either.
Neil
 
I think there was a lot of over-thinking here. It was just the hot barrel. It is difficult ito get a barrel to properly cool down in very hot weather. In cooler weather the groups will tighten up.
 
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This cold weather = tighter groups is poppycock.

All of my accurate rifles are accurate all year. I just can't shoot as quickly in 30 degrees as I do in - 5.

Bedding, free floating and tuned triggers are mandatory on any rifle so I can see consistency. Poorly bedded or floated stocks are a nightmare and that will be effected by Weather.
 
Two things:

Did you remove the action from the stock, and get all the oil off of the bedding surfaces?

The rifle kicks, and your experience level is low, before you condemn the rifle get an experienced shooter to try the rifle.
 
This cold weather = tighter groups is poppycock.

All of my accurate rifles are accurate all year. I just can't shoot as quickly in 30 degrees as I do in - 5.

Bedding, free floating and tuned triggers are mandatory on any rifle so I can see consistency. Poorly bedded or floated stocks are a nightmare and that will be effected by Weather.

Come on. I didn't mean that the weather actually affects the group size. I meant that a lot of people don't have the patience to wait the considerable length of time that it takes for a barrel to properly cool in very hot weather. So they shoot from warm barrels. And their groups open up. Cool weather means that you can shoot sooner. Simple.
 
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One thing I have learned when trying to shoot to establish the accuracy of a rifle is the nature of the target. For me I have found a very noticeable improvement in my ability to shoot a group is to use an appropriately sized cross ( perpendicular lines) .

For example at 300 yards a minute of accuracy is about 3 inches so I use a cross made with 1.5 inch lines ( 1/2 minute) as my aiming point. I find this easier to line up my cross hair and I would know that at least I am holding a half minute. For me I shoot better with these targets than I do shooting at a circle. As for magnification I use what ever gives me a clear view of my crosshairs over my target. My eyes are older now so I find the higher magnification works. I use 10X at 100 and 200 yards and at 300 I am up 20X

My experience with bolt action rifles made in the last few years is that regardless of being econo or higher end all are capable of 1.5 MOA or better unless there is some major flaw.
 
Not to sound like a snob but 16x on an extremely budget scope mounted on a 300wm is sketchy. That is a lot of kick for that scope to handle and I would be surprised if its providing a reliable zero.

Now assuming the gear is not the issue, I would suggest that when doing range work, never aim at the bulleyes, always aim at a cross since that will provide a way more consistent point of aim.
 
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