Q ? Bore pics of New Sav B22 - Is this normal ?

B

Buck1950

CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Rating - 100%
6   0   0
Hi all - I just received a brand new B22 this week and before going out (bad/windy weather) I took some pics and a vid of the bore. Not even cleaned bore before pics. The bore seems pretty 'rough' to me, but this is the first rifle I've had 'new since I got the Teslong scope so I don't know what to expect. The whole inner surface looks about the same, with the 'diagonal streaks' in the groove in the pics appearing every couple inches all the way thru. Seems pretty regular and so I took pics every 2" or so. I also have a vid - most of the whole bore but won't post it here. The muzzle/crown seem a bit rough too but that could just be the magnification ?? Should this crown area be 'polished' a bit ?? I don't want to Void the warranty but don't want to sent it away right off the bat.

Anyway, I just wanted to see if anyone has an opinion on the condition, especially if you also have done pics of a New bore before firing. Due to the weather coming here I don't plan to go out for a few days (like next Sat-12th) and will be cleaning and prepping the rifle, mounting a scope etc. Comments welcome

ps - I posted this on another forum to elicit more replies.

Muzzle & crown
9-02-20-B22-Near-Muzzle-B.jpg
[/url][/IMG]

4" past muzzle
9-02-20-B22-4in-past-Muz.jpg
[/url][/IMG]

16" past muzzle
9-02-20-B22-16in-past-Muz.jpg
[/url][/IMG]

(clik on pic to see larger image)
 
The button rifling in these buggers really needs to be replaced by hammer forging to produce an accurate tube that won't foul as quick. They be scary lookin',
massed produced tubes fer sure.
 
Hammer forged barrels are common on mass produced rifles. They take less time to make than button rifled barrels. Both methods can produce good barrels. I seem to recall Savage uses button rifling, but I may be mistaken.

The OP's bore photos don't seem particularly surprising, except for the rather ugly one near the crown.
 
Last edited:
I have noticed imperfections close to the muzzle on all rifles that I own or have owned except for the Savage 111 30-06.
I don't know what the issue is? Even the cold hammer forged Rugers have it.

my only gun that sports a perfect bore is a pistol: Steyr M9A1 (beauty)
 
My 357 Henry looked worse than that until I shot it and all the imperfections filled in with lead and copper. Ya know what? It shoots great! Like really good! Lol. I get 1-1.5 MOA with irons @ 100M and even hit a 8” gong at 300M a couple times after two shots. It’s not a precision rig or in a particular accurate rifle caliber.

I personally would just shoot some groups with it and see how it does.
 
This is a 700 cut rifled barrel, shoots great.
20-02-12-09-21-53.png

This is a hammer forged Vanguard barrel, also shoots great.
20-02-12-09-15-03.png

Shoot it and see, probably will shoot great.
 
Hitzy's advice to "shoot it and see" is very good. You can't tell with a bore scope how the barrel will shoot.

Bore scopes give an idea of what the bore looks like, whether there are machining marks, burrs, pitts and the like. It doesn't necessarily give a good idea how it will shoot, because there are important things that a bore scope can't reveal. For example, it doesn't tell the user anything about bore diameter consistency. You need to slug or use an expensive air guage for that. It doesn't tell the user about bore or chamber concentricity, how perfectly round and in-line with each other the two are. On the other hand, bore scopes are good at showing how well a cleaning regimen is doing the job.
 
Yep, shoot it and see. Factory barrels are not guaranteed to be free of tool marks, only hand lapped custom barrels offer this. Drill Mark's could be seen the entire length of my MK IIs barrel.



Despite this, it was a good shooter.




SHELL SHUCKER said:
The button rifling in these buggers really needs to be replaced by hammer forging to produce an accurate tube that won't foul as quick. They be scary lookin',
massed produced tubes fer sure.
Click to expand...

Not following your logic here... The best rim fire barrels are button rifles. Cut rifled barrels cant compete with button, and no custom barrel maker uses hammer forging. The final finish is related to the manufacturer's use (or not) of honing after drilling and a lapping process.
 
RabidM4U5 said:
Yep, shoot it and see. Factory barrels are not guaranteed to be free of tool marks, only hand lapped custom barrels offer this. Drill Mark's could be seen the entire length of my MK IIs barrel.



Despite this, it was a good shooter.






Not following your logic here... The best rim fire barrels are button rifles. Cut rifled barrels cant compete with button, and no custom barrel maker uses hammer forging. The final finish is related to the manufacturer's use (or not) of honing after drilling and a lapping process.
Click to expand...

I think cut or buttoned can both produce excellent results. Like most things in life its the skill of the craftsman and the materials being used. A terrible blank will still be terrible rifled either way. Many accurate barrels i own or have owned are cut rifled. Vudoo uses cut rifled barrels and i dont think theyre lacking in the accuracy department. I also have buttoned rifled barrels that are exceptionally accurate. I believe Steyr and some Sako rifles use hammer forged barrels and they are known to be very accurate as a rule. I have a 6.5 Creedmore with a hammer forged barrel that is scary accurate but took me two weeks to break in the barrel in cuz it was miserable to clean and i lapped it with JB bore paste which remedied the problem. I think all forms can be great if done properly with quality components but thats just my thoughts!
 
Longstud said:
I think cut or buttoned can both produce excellent results. Like most things in life its the skill of the craftsman and the materials being used. A terrible blank will still be terrible rifled either way. Many accurate barrels i own or have owned are cut rifled. Vudoo uses cut rifled barrels and i dont think theyre lacking in the accuracy department. I also have buttoned rifled barrels that are exceptionally accurate. I believe Steyr and some Sako rifles use hammer forged barrels and they are known to be very accurate as a rule. I have a 6.5 Creedmore with a hammer forged barrel that is scary accurate but took me two weeks to break in the barrel in cuz it was miserable to clean and i lapped it with JB bore paste which remedied the problem. I think all forms can be great if done properly with quality components but thats just my thoughts!
Click to expand...

Dont take my remarks out of context. Cut rifled and hammer forged can still perform quite satisfactorily for the casual shooter or PRS competitor. When it comes to bench rest, where matches are won and records set by literally a C hair... button rifled dominates. If you give up 0.05" on average with a cut rifled barrel... yes it's still shooting quite well, but you ain't winning squat in the BR world. So, who would then use a cut rifled barrel then?

For center fire, cut rifled is arguably the best in contrast. Yep, steyr and sako are quite good at hammer forging, but are their barrels setting records?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom