how do you change your pistol mags?

[Stevo]

I want to know who the guys are that only have 1 mag for their pistols.

 

[maurice]

Well, I have always used my trigger finger (HK USP), and also for my STI Edge, i installed a mitchell mag release so I can use my trigger finger still. With the Tanfoglio, i decided to start using my thumb.

 

[maurice]

I want to know who the guys are that only have 1 mag for their pistols.

yeah, what's up with that?

 

[Stevo]

yeah, what's up with that?

Must be guys with .45's. Everyone knows that whatever you shoot with a .45 disappears in a shower of sparks, so you don't need to reload.

 

[petster774]

yup

No offense here but I don't think in a stress situation with all that adrenalin in your system, that you'll be able to "count" rounds - certainly not defensively. Most likely you'll dump all rounds and then have to change mags with a locked slide. I can't think of anything I've read or seen that advocates the method you described. Also many training outfits don't advocate using the slide release lever, they advoacte pulling the slide back and releasing it at all times - something about using the full energy of the spring to put the slide back into battery. Someone with combat experience might want to chime in to cite current doctrine - Kevin B.?

Yer exactly right on that one Clobbersauras. In full tilt firefight anyways. Starting to ommit things you don't need in training, like forward assist, bolt catch(for the reason you mentionned) Mag is empty, it drops to the ground as you get the next, then pull back the slide. Why? Because you use the cocking handle, or slide 90% of the time, and the bolt catch the rest. Basically, use the least amount of parts to simplify the drill.

 

[Max Owner]

Stevo and Manboy;

What have you guys been doing to come up with this thread?

 

[dan belisle]

Strong hand is normal with me, I use my left index finger when I'm practicing weak hand shooting. - dan

 

[Boomer]

I believe that the fresh magazine should be in your weak hand when you eject the empty or partially fired magazine. With a magazine iin your weak hand, operating the mag release with your strong hand might be more natural, and should prevent a partially emptied mag from being dropped - the idea being you may still need those rounds.

Pistols that incorporate a heal release, releasing the magazine with the weak hand would seem to be the only recourse.

 

[USP]

whatever happened to "I overload my ammo and explode the mag right out of the magwell" option?

 

[dan belisle]

I saw that last weekend. Very exciting. - dan

 

[TDC]

Must be guys with .45's. Everyone knows that whatever you shoot with a .45 disappears in a shower of sparks, so you don't need to reload.

Stevo,

You have it all wrong. Anything shot with a .45 is reduced to its sub atomic level...

TDC

 

[RePete]

Either way
I guess in a real combat condition, I will do this:
Fire nine rounds to my target
Gun points to the targeted direction with the last round chambered
Change the mag with my support hand while the gun still remain points to the target.
I won't change the mag after the gun is empty when combat.
So don't buy a gun with mag remove safty.

Trigun

How do you know? Have you been in combat?

When the pucker factor is high, you can't count.

 

[Trigun]

How do you know? Have you been in combat?

When the pucker factor is high, you can't count.

Hee....That why I said: I guess Lucky enough I won't have a chance to have an exchange fire or I will be a dead meat.

Trigun

 

[stormbringer]

Strong Hand Thumb.........

My weak hand is busy headed for another mag...

Like this

 

[manboy]

Stevo and Manboy;

What have you guys been doing to come up with this thread?

well it all started here:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=190869

but i couldn't stay on topic and the lengthy reply i typed up ended up going to the moderator garbage heap. so i figured i'd start a new thread that was about the direction the other thread was going.

 

[TDC]

Question stormbringer.

based on the above picture you are ejecting a partial mag(could be empty I'm not sure) long before a fresh mag is ready to be inserted. Why would you dump the only ammo you have readily available prior to having a fresh magazine immediately available for insertion?

Question two: Again, based on the picture above, your pistol is not oriented towards your front or any target in specific. More importantly it appears you've adjusted your grip to the point where a confident accurate shot will be near impossible should you be required to fire prior to inserting a fresh mag or returning your support hand. So again, why would you compromise your firing grip to release the mag when your fresh mag is no where near ready to be inserted and your pistol isn't ready for immediate action.

As CP220 said in the last thread(which some of us shamelessly derailed). If using your dominant hand works for you, go for it. However, based on what I see, its not working at all. From what I've read and what I've heard(from fellow shooters) Stormbringer is no slouch when it comes to shooting. That being the case, I have seen shooters of either "new" or "poor" skill sets demonstrating the same technique as above with far worse results. The question I must ask is this. If those of limited experience or new to the sport are using skill set X and are not reaping the rewards of fast, smooth, and consistent actions with desired results. Why wouldn't these same people try another method in hopes of improving?

Why is there such hype over the 10 rd AR mags? Because people see the advantage of having 10 rounds over 5. I used to use my dominant hand to eject the mag. Then I attended a professional school....WITH AN OPEN MIND. I hated using a leading thumb grip and thought the support hand release was kind of stupid when you could just roll the pistol in your hand and use your dominant hand thumb.

Any style that works...Works. There isn't one correct method. There are methods that are more applicable and more universal than others. The goal is to reload fast while keeping your pistol on target with as few simple movements as possible in all environments with a wet/dirty/bloody pistol. If the technique cannot accomplish these tasks I wouldn't do it. Some techniques accomplish some of these tasks. Some accomplish very few of these tasks. If all styles yielded identical times from reload to back in action you could say they're all the same. The difference comes in which technique(s) provide the greatest advantage and address the most scenarios.

TDC

 

[Clobbersauras]

Question stormbringer.

based on the above picture you are ejecting a partial mag(could be empty I'm not sure) long before a fresh mag is ready to be inserted. Why would you dump the only ammo you have readily available prior to having a fresh magazine immediately available for insertion?

Question two: Again, based on the picture above, your pistol is not oriented towards your front or any target in specific. More importantly it appears you've adjusted your grip to the point where a confident accurate shot will be near impossible should you be required to fire prior to inserting a fresh mag or returning your support hand. So again, why would you compromise your firing grip to release the mag when your fresh mag is no where near ready to be inserted and your pistol isn't ready for immediate action.

As CP220 said in the last thread(which some of us shamelessly derailed). If using your dominant hand works for you, go for it. However, based on what I see, its not working at all. From what I've read and what I've heard(from fellow shooters) Stormbringer is no slouch when it comes to shooting. That being the case, I have seen shooters of either "new" or "poor" skill sets demonstrating the same technique as above with far worse results. The question I must ask is this. If those of limited experience or new to the sport are using skill set X and are not reaping the rewards of fast, smooth, and consistent actions with desired results. Why wouldn't these same people try another method in hopes of improving?

Why is there such hype over the 10 rd AR mags? Because people see the advantage of having 10 rounds over 5. I used to use my dominant hand to eject the mag. Then I attended a professional school....WITH AN OPEN MIND. I hated using a leading thumb grip and thought the support hand release was kind of stupid when you could just roll the pistol in your hand and use your dominant hand thumb.

Any style that works...Works. There isn't one correct method. There are methods that are more applicable and more universal than others. The goal is to reload fast while keeping your pistol on target with as few simple movements as possible in all environments with a wet/dirty/bloody pistol. If the technique cannot accomplish these tasks I wouldn't do it. Some techniques accomplish some of these tasks. Some accomplish very few of these tasks. If all styles yielded identical times from reload to back in action you could say they're all the same. The difference comes in which technique(s) provide the greatest advantage and address the most scenarios.

TDC

Interesting - so how would the weak-hand grip/mag eject function look? I tend to use a both thumbs forward grip with my glock - so I would break my double handed grip and use my weak-hand thumb to depress the mag catch? Then use my weak hand to grab my extra mag? A pic would be helpfull as to the type of training they gave you...

 

[NaOH]

Trigger hand thumb.

 

[NaOH]

In my experience the fresh mag isn't far behind at all. Also I want the ejecting mag out of the way so it won't interfere with the one about to arrive.

based on the above picture you are ejecting a partial mag(could be empty I'm not sure) long before a fresh mag is ready to be inserted. Why would you dump the only ammo you have readily available prior to having a fresh magazine immediately available for insertion?

 

[dinsdale]

Question stormbringer.

based on the above picture you are ejecting a partial mag(could be empty I'm not sure) long before a fresh mag is ready to be inserted. Why would you dump the only ammo you have readily available prior to having a fresh magazine immediately available for insertion?

It's a game, it's a game,it's a game.
Why would you waste time waiting till you had the mag in your hand when the whole process takes around a second.

Question two: Again, based on the picture above, your pistol is not oriented towards your front or any target in specific. More importantly it appears you've adjusted your grip to the point where a confident accurate shot will be near impossible should you be required to fire prior to inserting a fresh mag or returning your support hand. So again, why would you compromise your firing grip to release the mag when your fresh mag is no where near ready to be inserted and your pistol isn't ready for immediate action.

It's a game, it's a game,it's a game.
No one is shooting back. The reload is around a second. Time is important.

As CP220 said in the last thread(which some of us shamelessly derailed). If using your dominant hand works for you, go for it. However, based on what I see, its not working at all. From what I've read and what I've heard(from fellow shooters) Stormbringer is no slouch when it comes to shooting. That being the case, I have seen shooters of either "new" or "poor" skill sets demonstrating the same technique as above with far worse results. The question I must ask is this. If those of limited experience or new to the sport are using skill set X and are not reaping the rewards of fast, smooth, and consistent actions with desired results. Why wouldn't these same people try another method in hopes of improving?

So you look at a guy doing a fast reload for IPSC and decide his technique sucks for combat? WTF?

Any style that works...Works. There isn't one correct method. There are methods that are more applicable and more universal than others. The goal is to reload fast while keeping your pistol on target with as few simple movements as possible in all environments with a wet/dirty/bloody pistol. If the technique cannot accomplish these tasks I wouldn't do it. Some techniques accomplish some of these tasks. Some accomplish very few of these tasks. If all styles yielded identical times from reload to back in action you could say they're all the same. The difference comes in which technique(s) provide the greatest advantage and address the most scenarios.

TDC

Maybe for you. The majority of us use our handguns for competition.Smooth and fast is important. Very important.