Lwrc 7.62

Non-restricted 18.5" would be a definite sale ... I might even take two.

If they're deemed to be an AR variant, I would take one in either a 13" (w/ a Noveske KX3 or like flash suppressor) or a 16.1"/16.25".:ar15:

I could see these as being a very nice substitute to my FN addiction.


Shouldn't this be in the MBR forum?
 
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how in the hell are these going to be "non-restricted"?? By the looks of this thread, no one will buy if they are restricted

restricted or non i want

For any RCMP tech to rule that these rifles are an AR-15 variant, I'd have to say somebody needs to submit to a urine test to see what illegal narcotics he/she has been ingesting!:onCrack:

While there may be some superficial cosmetic similarities to the non-gunowner, there is no way this rifle should ever be classified as an AR-15 variant. If it isn't a variant and if the barrel is long enough, then it should be treated no differently than any other semi-automatic sporting rifle such as the Remington Model 7400, Ruger Mini-14 or Norinco M14S and thus Non-Restricted.
 
For any RCMP tech to rule that these rifles are an AR-15 variant, I'd have to say somebody needs to submit to a urine test to see what illegal narcotics he/she has been ingesting!:onCrack:

While there may be some superficial cosmetic similarities to the non-gunowner, there is no way this rifle should ever be classified as an AR-15 variant. If it isn't a variant and if the barrel is long enough, then it should be treated no differently than any other semi-automatic sporting rifle such as the Remington Model 7400, Ruger Mini-14 or Norinco M14S and thus Non-Restricted.


Sure....

Anyways I'll buy one no matter what, restricted or non. All my shooting with these kind of firearms goes down at the range so I dont care either way.
 
If you can keep it non-restricted, and in the 2K ballpark, I'd be looking to fund the project with one for my safe.

As for barrel length, 18.5+ is fine with me.
 
It was developed AFTER the AR and uses AR parts -- they told Steve at PGWDTI that they would consider a single shot AR style lower restricted by name...

They did the AR10 (new Armalite ones) and SR-25's for the same reasons. As long as it uses AR/M16FOW fire control, a buffer tube, and a mag from a previous variant system - your hooped...
 
So Kevin is there a percentile of AR parts used that it will render it restricted? or even if 1 AR part is used the rifle becomes restricted?
 
So Kevin is there a percentile of AR parts used that it will render it restricted? or even if 1 AR part is used the rifle becomes restricted?

Doubtful. Look at the AR-180B, which uses the fire control system, and I believe the bolt and barrel extention, plus magazine of the AR-15.

All firearms are derivative, it's just to what degree and what the manufacturers claim/advertize.

While I agree with KevinB's assesment, I will not abandon hope of a non-restricted until we have a FRT to that effect.
 
of course the AR180B is not :rolleyes: a variant of an already prohib firearms as well

makes no sense of course - but when you have laws drawn by fools...
 
of course the AR180B is not :rolleyes: a variant of an already prohib firearms as well

makes no sense of course - but when you have laws drawn by fools...

well technically it isn't.

IIRC the trigger group is ar15 and the gas system is ar180 but together they make a new firearm.


Or something along those lines... Maybe Armedsask can chime in for me here..


PS, I think all firearms are somewhat derivatives. One could argue the PE90 is a swiss ak47 :D
 
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IMHO, the arguement that AR10 and SR25 are variants of AR are very weak.

First of all, the linkage is so remote - the sharing of characteristics/design principles of gas systme is not an arguement. Otherwise everything will be a variant of another.

The only thing AR10 shares with AR15 is the firecontrol parts - but this is pretty weak too. A variant implies that it is a "variation" of the original. A variation means the original platform itself is maintained and that some other characteristic is added or subtracted afterward. It is like changing the suspension of the car but the chasis must be the same. In this case, the AR10 does not even have the same chasis as the AR15. They may use the same gas tank and the windshield wiper fluid containter.......this is the biggest blunder of the RCMP lab. THey paid for it later on though. Now if they think those 2 parts in the lower make something an AR15 variant, than what is an AR180b?

Precedence A: an AR trigger group combined with a DI gas system is an AR variant - no matter if it is wrong.

Precedence B:So apparently they got caught - so ok, if a rifle use an AR15 trigger group, that makes an AR180 variant not a AR180 variant. So why isn't the AR180B restricted because apparently the AR15 trigger parts is the decsion point? So the combination of AR trigger parts with whatever upper system other than the direct gas system of the original AR15 nullifies the AR linkage, but it also nullifes the linkage of the receiver/gas system/boltgroup

They set a precedence with AR10, and then they set a second precedence with the AR180B.

Last lets examin the LWRC - It has a gas system that is different from the DI system of the original AR and uses AR15 trigger parts. Now apply Precedence B. They don't comply, take it to the lawyer - a 100% win.

The lab is just a lab. When it comes down to important matter based on interpretation, things are argueable. It is a just a matter of determination as well as cost/benefit to use legal counsel.

In fact, the whole AR15 business is based on mistaken interpretation of the OIC.- which specifically prohib M16 and its variant, while the AR15 is not a variant of M16. M16 is a variant of AR15. Any half serious legal challegne will completely overturn all the decision ever made on the AR15. THe only thingthat stops people from admitting mistake is embarrassment ot the organization and political cost.

I urge everyone who is a member of the NFA and CSSA start using their membership privilege and FEE to fix these problems instead of moaning their illogic - illogic in intrepertation of reg. means lawyer time and winning- which means these are the jobs of paid gun right groups.
 
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