Is the factory AI AX AICS buttpad pulverizing your shoulder? Found a solution!

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For some reason, manufacturers like Accuracy International and Magpul think that by making a hard rubber buttpad thicker, they will magically become softer. I had a Remington 700 in 6.5CM in an AX AICS chassis, and despite having a pretty good muzzle brake, my shoulder is sore after a day of shooting it.

After some research with the templates, I found that the Limbsaver Airtech buttpad #10800 (fits Franchi Alcoine 12ga & model 48, Ruger M77 & Hawkeye) is the perfect size and requires minimal modification. You'll only need to drill a new top hole, and widen the bottom hole from the top edge. Of course, you should nevertheless confirm the hole positioning using the factory buttpad.

I'm not sure whether this will work for the AX AICS long and magnum actions, since I don't know whether their hole spacing is different. Haven't tried it out at the range yet, but considering I can crack coconuts with the factory buttpad, I'm sure it's a vast improvement.

Sorry, I can't post pics from my hard drive. I need to make a certain # of posts or cough up cash?
 
Not to start a sh!tstorm but if shooting a braked 6.5 CM and your shoulder is sore no matter how long you are shooting it, its not the butt pad. Maybe shoot a .22lr.
 
EC said:
Not to start a sh!tstorm but if shooting a braked 6.5 CM and your shoulder is sore no matter how long you are shooting it, its not the butt pad. Maybe shoot a .22lr.
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I'm certainly no expert but I have 2 Rem 700 (.308) in McMillan stocks. Shooting the same ammunition, one rifle I can squeeze all day long, the other is brutal after 10 rds. Same with an old Enfield .303 I used to own, that thing felt like a mule kicking me every time I pulled the trigger. Throwing S#!+ doesn't help anyone here, the poster was talking about a problem and a possible solution. As a shooter that obviously has a ###### for a shoulder, I appreciate the input.
 
I have a bum shoulder due to the type of work I do. Yes I use a muzzle brake on a 6.5 and I also increased the padding on my chassis rifle, if I were to react to every shot I take in a negative way it would send shots off target. Who cares what anyone says make it your rifle and enjoy the hobby if it ain't fun why do it . I had to modify my new buttpad to fit , a little drilling and sanding got it looking stock.
 
deadman said:
I'm certainly no expert but I have 2 Rem 700 (.308) in McMillan stocks. Shooting the same ammunition, one rifle I can squeeze all day long, the other is brutal after 10 rds. Same with an old Enfield .303 I used to own, that thing felt like a mule kicking me every time I pulled the trigger. Throwing S#!+ doesn't help anyone here, the poster was talking about a problem and a possible solution. As a shooter that obviously has a ###### for a shoulder, I appreciate the input.
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Glad to know I'm not the only one with ######l shoulders! :d
 
EC said:
Not to start a sh!tstorm but if shooting a braked 6.5 CM and your shoulder is sore no matter how long you are shooting it, its not the butt pad. Maybe shoot a .22lr.
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Maybe you “should” consider other people’s situations. Rather then think only about yourself with a comment like that. No, I’m not trying to pick a fight. Just inform you about “other” things that might influence how one needs to handle recoil.

For example; after my heart attack, I needed to mitigate recoil for all of the calibers I shoot. From .223rem all the way up to the BMG (although the largest I shoot after the prohibitions has become .338LM). With the blood thinners that I’m on, I found that I needed to wear my shoulder pad from my trap days. I could only handle a maximum of 50 rounds per outing from my magnum. If I shot a hundred rounds of 6.5x47L, I usually could see the bruise afterwards. Just two examples.

And yes all of my rifles (even the .223), are braked. But I do watch most of my shots onto the target. It’s just that the constant pounding on my shoulder, affected how I deal with recoil.

An open mind is a wonderful thing, don’t ‘ya think?
 
6MT said:
Maybe you “should” consider other people’s situations. Rather then think only about yourself with a comment like that. No, I’m not trying to pick a fight. Just inform you about “other” things that might influence how one needs to handle recoil.

For example; after my heart attack, I needed to mitigate recoil for all of the calibers I shoot. From .223rem all the way up to the BMG (although the largest I shoot after the prohibitions has become .338LM). With the blood thinners that I’m on, I found that I needed to wear my shoulder pad from my trap days. I could only handle a maximum of 50 rounds per outing from my magnum. If I shot a hundred rounds of 6.5x47L, I usually could see the bruise afterwards. Just two examples.

And yes all of my rifles (even the .223), are braked. But I do watch most of my shots onto the target. It’s just that the constant pounding on my shoulder, affected how I deal with recoil.

An open mind is a wonderful thing, don’t ‘ya think?
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Ugh. Hope your ticker's OK. Heart attacks really suck.
 
6MT said:
Maybe you “should” consider other people’s situations. Rather then think only about yourself with a comment like that. No, I’m not trying to pick a fight. Just inform you about “other” things that might influence how one needs to handle recoil.

For example; after my heart attack, I needed to mitigate recoil for all of the calibers I shoot. From .223rem all the way up to the BMG (although the largest I shoot after the prohibitions has become .338LM). With the blood thinners that I’m on, I found that I needed to wear my shoulder pad from my trap days. I could only handle a maximum of 50 rounds per outing from my magnum. If I shot a hundred rounds of 6.5x47L, I usually could see the bruise afterwards. Just two examples.

And yes all of my rifles (even the .223), are braked. But I do watch most of my shots onto the target. It’s just that the constant pounding on my shoulder, affected how I deal with recoil.

An open mind is a wonderful thing, don’t ‘ya think?
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Relax ffs. I said I was not trying to start a sh!tstorm but obviously in this day and age people are a bit more touchy feely. I was going to elaborate on I realize everyone is different and due to physical restraints ie injuries etc but I didn't think I had to. If I had known people's shorts were going to get all twisted I would have.
 
EC said:
Relax ffs. I said I was not trying to start a sh!tstorm but obviously in this day and age people are a bit more touchy feely. I was going to elaborate on I realize everyone is different and due to physical restraints ie injuries etc but I didn't think I had to. If I had known people's shorts were going to get all twisted I would have.
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Well then you should have done. Or some people might mistake you for an insensitive SOB.
 
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Hmm, what shooting position? Could have something to do with that?
Griping the rifle properly? Im not here to question your shooting ability or be negative in any aspect but similar to shotgun slaps it could be a positional thing.
Is it your shoulder or collar bone?
What is your body structure? Could also be a big factor. Less meat in front of bone, will obviously get agitated easier.

Im glad you found a way to shoot your rifle longer! Enjoy the lead slinging now that you have a more adequate butt pad for your rifle!
 
Canadiankeeper said:
Hmm, what shooting position? Could have something to do with that?
Griping the rifle properly? Im not here to question your shooting ability or be negative in any aspect but similar to shotgun slaps it could be a positional thing.
Is it your shoulder or collar bone?
What is your body structure? Could also be a big factor. Less meat in front of bone, will obviously get agitated easier.

Im glad you found a way to shoot your rifle longer! Enjoy the lead slinging now that you have a more adequate butt pad for your rifle!
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I'm shooting off a bench at the range most of the time, since proper crown land is pretty far away. Because the height of the bench and seats are fixed, the number of shooting positions available to me are unfortunately rather limited.
 
Element82 said:
I'm shooting off a bench at the range most of the time, since proper crown land is pretty far away. Because the height of the bench and seats are fixed, the number of shooting positions available to me are unfortunately rather limited.
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Hmmm with a fixed seat and bench height could this be perhaps making you hold the rifle on the collar? Have you noticed soreness with any other rifles from this spot? Is the rifle adjustable at all?

I know my old lady went from HATING clay sports and shotguns to loving it once I got one that fit her. No more sore shoulder.

Just throwing out ideas here.
 
Canadiankeeper said:
Hmmm with a fixed seat and bench height could this be perhaps making you hold the rifle on the collar? Have you noticed soreness with any other rifles from this spot? Is the rifle adjustable at all?

I know my old lady went from HATING clay sports and shotguns to loving it once I got one that fit her. No more sore shoulder.

Just throwing out ideas here.
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I specifically avoided pressing the hard buttpad against the collarbone (Learned that right away after one round!), so it's just overall soreness that I notice when I move my arm. I have installed a Limbsaver on another rifle that fires 308 and noticed that the sore shoulder is gone after a round of shooting. Those things are a godsend haha! Would be nice if manufacturers contract with them to install Limbsavers as a factory default.
 
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