Any reviews for Spectre 7.63x39 complete 180 upper??

Stevo said:
Well said.

Spectre appears to be Kodiak v2.0.

Wolverine seems to like dealing with these sorts of manufacturers.
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Probably because everyone else wants to charge more, and Wolverine is probably very happy with the ratio of people accepting what they are paying for. And that's how capitalism works. I think that given you haven't handled one @armedsask it's bit much to throw out the 'it's a badly made product' line. But that's just me. I don't own a WK or have any involvement with Wolverine. And I've not handled one of these either (yet).
 
Armedsask said:
What exactly would you like to know? Besides the fact that sharp corners are stress risers, it's a consumer item. There is some requirement to be aesthetically pleasing and not cut the user. They are already CNC machining them (I assume), so it really takes not much more work to break edges and round corners. The old rule of thumb is if you can scratch your thumb nail, it's too sharp.

Chamfer cutters, corner round mills, media tumbling, and hand finishing. These are some simple ways to break edges, in addition to proper design.

There is a point that "trying to keep costs down" becomes a poor excuse for a badly made product.
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Thanks for the explanation B. I guess Im curious as to how much extra time of work it takes to have a nicer finish. Like how much is actually saved by cutting corners?
 
gutinater said:
Thanks for the explanation B. I guess Im curious as to how much extra time of work it takes to have a nicer finish. Like how much is actually saved by not cutting corners?
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FTFY.

I'm actually considering buying one of these rifles, so I'm not just trolling here, but that one seemed like it was begging for it.
 
gutinater said:
Thanks for the explanation B. I guess Im curious as to how much extra time of work it takes to have a nicer finish. Like how much is actually saved by cutting corners?
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If you chamfer in the machine, it adds cutting operations and time, therefore cost. However, I firmly believe it is a required task. Hell, every professional drawing I've every seen in the industry declares, by default, to "break all sharp edges". The results from nicely chamfered edges far outweigh their cost to produce.

This is not an issue limited to Spectre. I've notice it on other Canadian produced firearms and accessories. I've always been a bit disappointed they let product out the door like that. Maybe I'm just too much of a perfectionist.

A chamfer cutter lives in my machines, it's a standard tool that never comes out. Every edge I can hit is broken before the part leaves the machine. Any I can't hit will get hand deburred or tumbled. Doesn't matter if it's a consumer product that will be handled, or a bracket for some industrial machine. It's a simple process that exponentially increases the perception of quality.

But now I'm just ranting about general machining stuff.
 
For 1500 you can put together a real nice ar15. If they arent holding themselves to the same standard just because its NR, that should say something.
 
Armedsask said:
If you chamfer in the machine, it adds cutting operations and time, therefore cost. However, I firmly believe it is a required task. Hell, every professional drawing I've every seen in the industry declares, by default, to "break all sharp edges". The results from nicely chamfered edges far outweigh their cost to produce.

This is not an issue limited to Spectre. I've notice it on other Canadian produced firearms and accessories. I've always been a bit disappointed they let product out the door like that. Maybe I'm just too much of a perfectionist.

A chamfer cutter lives in my machines, it's a standard tool that never comes out. Every edge I can hit is broken before the part leaves the machine. Any I can't hit will get hand deburred or tumbled. Doesn't matter if it's a consumer product that will be handled, or a bracket for some industrial machine. It's a simple process that exponentially increases the perception of quality.

But now I'm just ranting about general machining stuff.
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Even better would be a radius cutter (corner cutter/corner rounding). :)
 
*MALICE* said:
Even better would be a radius cutter (corner cutter/corner rounding). :)
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Radius cutters are much more picky to get looking nice, they take some tweaking to get dialed in perfect. They are also size specific. Nice thing about a chamfer cutter is you can cut any size up to the max size of the cutting edge.
 
So what type of gas block is going on these things? My wk 180 had a set screw deal that liked to come loose. Ideally I'd like a .300blk bbl as it gets away from the issues of 7.62x39, anyone successfully re barrel?

I dont really care about the sharp edges, as long as the thing doesn't have to be sent in for broken parts warranty every 500rds.
 
Recce21 said:
Here's the thing: Do I understand cost vs. quality? Yes. Do I understand sub $1500 Non Restricted Semi Auto? Yes. Are faint machining marks and finish subjective? Yes.

However, what got me ranting was having the sharp angles at the exact places the user interacts with the most (ie: top of pistol grip, safety selector and handguard slots) is not a place to balance machining time and cost. Do I care the receiver and rail is boxy? Not at all. I care about the only part that can cause injury being the muzzle end and up until then, only a Norinco has had the dubious pleasure of drawing blood from normal handling.

As for voiding warranty, if removal of the factory barrel to install a better match grade barrel voids warranty then that's crazy. And like the saying goes, "only accurate rifles are interesting" and I would rather have an interesting rifle than warranty.
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My Rob Arms XCR quad rail was like a cheese grater, not only Norincos make you bleed.
 
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