When did folks become such recoil wimps?

rral22 said:
Well, that proves you're more of a man than I am for sure, although you appear more defensive than I would have expected from someone so obviously manly.

Even your women?? That really proves something.
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Nope, never said I'm more manly. Just gets tiring listening to people justify things because 'I'm smarter'...I can understand you are likely reacting to the 'Wimp' thing...when pushed, you push back. Fair enough.
I ain't nothing special, just a regular AB country fellow.
And who the h*ll wants a woman who can't handle herself? I go to work, I want someone who is actually able to do stuff...She-she boop oopy doop women need not apply. Maybe that's not your thing...enjoy your Stepford wife. I want one who can step out of the house with a rifle and light up a coyote...not worry about finding a 'Poodle shooter'.
Fer Christ sakes my daughter's can rock full bore milsurp rounds...you think you are smarter than them too because of this?
Methinks thou doth protest too much...
 
tokguy said:
Nope, never said I'm more manly. Just gets tiring listening to people justify things because 'I'm smarter'...I can understand you are likely reacting to the 'Wimp' thing...when pushed, you push back. Fair enough.
I ain't nothing special, just a regular AB country fellow.
And who the h*ll wants a woman who can't handle herself? I go to work, I want someone who is actually able to do stuff...She-she boop oopy doop women need not apply. Maybe that's not your thing...enjoy your Stepford wife. I want one who can step out of the house with a rifle and light up a coyote...not worry about finding a 'Poodle shooter'.
Fer Christ sakes my daughter's can rock full bore milsurp rounds...you think you are smarter than them too because of this?
Methinks thou doth protest too much...
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Now you've gone too far!! Now you're insulting my women too?? Good Shakespeare quote though ...proves you're smart ..... although how do you manage to go to insulting my women from this thread? Seems a bit of a non sequitur to me. (did that sound smart?)
 
rral22 said:
Now you've gone too far!! Now you're insulting my women too?? Good Shakespeare quote though ...proves you're smart ..... although how do you manage to go to insulting my women from this thread? Seems a bit of a non sequitur to me. (did that sound smart?)
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Friend, maybe Shakespeare quotes impress you... I just read a lot... I remember things sometimes
And I believe you were alluding to something with my female friends prior to...
You don't like 'kickers' ...my father didn't either. Didn't make him smarter neither...he just got past that stage. The boxing awards and Bronc riding trophies pretty much say he wasn't a wimp.
Don't have to impress you...means squat in my world. Just thinking you ain't smarter because you don't like recoil.
Folks who 'Put on airs' about their intelligence usually need that little boost IMO.
I don't really care if you think I'm a knuckle dragger... but saying that you are smarter, somehow evolved because you don't like recoil...nay to that silliness.
 
I don’t think the real question is “when did people be ome such recoil wimps?”

The real story is “When did people decide that their lack of recoil tolerance applies to everyone else?”
 
Bullet quality and construction has never been better in history than it is now. Those hard kicking calibres are not always necessary these days to get the same penetration and result that they used to be. The better quality bullets in the smaller calibres can do as good a job nowadays as the old $hitty bullets did in the big calibres in years past.
I like my 30-06 and thats what I hunt with , never felt the need to go bigger , I have a 6.5x55 that I’ve never felt I was undergunned with either though when using top quality bullets.
 
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Yep, a modern-tech bonded or monometal bullet will perform as well as or better than a vintage cup-and-core bullet of larger diameter and/or heavier weight. So what?

What's wrong with shooting a big gun just because you like it? Some people like black guns...some people like beautiful walnut and blued metal...and some people like shooting big guns. It's just that simple. If big guns don't turn your crank, you might never want to bother expending the effort to learn to shoot them; good for you. But if you are fascinated by them, and are willing to spend the time and effort and money to become proficient with them, why on earth should you be ridiculed by someone who has no interest in them? Funny how the little-gun guys aren't satisfied with their own choice unless they make sure that everyone knows how much smarter they are than the big-gun guys. "We're not happy until you're not happy!"

I keep seeing the comment being made that most big-bore owners can't shoot their cannons well. News flash, guys: most shooters in general can't shoot worth s&%t regardless of what they are toting.
 
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Some really insightful comments going here !!! A comment from an old guy - as years go by, can no longer tote the heavy stuff or heal up like we used to. Acquaintance just turned 65 - every inch of him is Manitoba "bush" man and rifleman. Do not know that he has ever lived a day that did not involve hard work - I have never known him to take a drink or smoke a cigarette. He lives in a world, maybe of his own, where his little rifle is within reach most all hours of the day - certainly on the tractor, swather or combine; for sure, beside him in the pick-up, very often in his hand just crossing the yard to do chores. He has taken moose, black bear, deer, wolves, coyotes, fishers, skunks and stray cats - in his farmyard - at one time or another. Took over 30 wolves last winter between traps and that rifle, innumerable beavers and some otters. And his rifle is little - a 243 Winchester - Model 77 Ruger of some sort - 16" barrel. His boys are into the big 7mm boomers - one uses a 7mm Weatherby; the other uses a 28 Nosler. Old guy just smiles and nods, and carries on about his business with his little 243. No longer anything to be gained by getting crap pounded out of himself with his cabinet full of much, much bigger rifles, once he started using his little one. But his "for cash" sideline is cutting and splitting birch firewood - I would need to bring three strong young friends to keep up with him for a day - he is about as far away from "old and decrepit" as could be imagined!!!
 
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No they don’t mr. technicality. You can notch another victory on your keyboard. Just saying heavy rifle recoil for ME is less pleasant than heavy recoil from a mag .30 cal.
 
Jjohnwm nailed it for me. I like the history and nostalgia of big guns as well as what they can do. Shooting big calibers well is a challenge just like the guys who strive for one hole accuracy or shoot for score. My interest is in hunting rifles and shooting them well, some guys just want to shoot up an old car body in the bush. I’m careful not to judge because the future of gun ownership is on all of us. I do tend to roll my eyes at the face painted gi joe’s, sorry. They probably make jokes about me “compensating” when I send a couple .458’s through their left over zombie target.
 
jjohnwm said:
Yep, a modern-tech bonded or monometal bullet will perform as well as or better than a vintage cup-and-core bullet of larger diameter and/or heavier weight. So what?

What's wrong with shooting a big gun just because you like it? Some people like black guns...some people like beautiful walnut and blued metal...and some people like shooting big guns. It's just that simple. If big guns don't turn your crank, you might never want to bother expending the effort to learn to shoot them; good for you. But if you are fascinated by them, and are willing to spend the time and effort and money to become proficient with them, why on earth should you be ridiculed by someone who has no interest in them? Funny how the little-gun guys aren't satisfied with their own choice unless they make sure that everyone knows how much smarter they are than the big-gun guys. "We're not happy until you're not happy!"

I keep seeing the comment being made that most big-bore owners can't shoot their cannons well. News flash, guys: most shooters in general can't shoot worth s&%t regardless of what they are toting.
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I just get my 9.3x62 out if I wanna shoot something bigger. Not sure what your point is ? Just #### measuring ?
 
Technology. The more "comfortable" we make our world, the weaker we become. The more we nurture our limitations, the stronger they become. If you shoot .22lr everyday 100 times for a year and then you shoot 10 rounds of 556 you will think that beast is kicking like mule. Same is true with more potent tiers of cartriges.
 
jjohnwm said:
Thanks for simultaneously missing and proving my point. That must be a useful life skill.
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You must be fun at parties huh ?
The worst thing about this forum is it’s full of crap like this ...threads that are nothing better than $hit talking for no reason.
You personally haven’t contributed one intelligent or useful thing at all.
This is just another typical Gun Nutz thread with nothing of real value to add to anyones day.
There’s no point to this entire thread other than people like you here trying to justify some stupid idea you have to make yourself feel better by arguing nonsensical crap with strangers.
I made a perfectly non-argumentative comment about the fact that bullet quality is a contributing factor in negating the need for big calibre heavy recoiling rifles and is most probably a big contributing factor in why people don’t always go directly for a heavy calibre heavy recoiling rifle in this day and age.
However for that they are seen as “recoil wimps” by the Fudds of Yesteryear that believe real men should only shoot rifles that detach retinas and dislocate shoulders...because what kind of “girly man” would shoot anything else right ?...
You’re probably the kind of guy that just walks around cursing and mumbling to yourself about how the world has turned into a bunch of pussies. I personally don’t give a fkuc what you think or shoot or think people should shoot or think what a bunch or pussies people must be.
Another Fudd cranky at the world cos not everyone in it agrees with him.....
 
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Isobar1999 said:
You must be fun at parties huh ?
The worst thing about this forum is it’s full of D-bags like you that have nothing better to do than talk $hit for no reason. You haven’t said one intelligent or useful thing at all. Another typical Gun Nutz tool with nothing better to do than sit on the computer arguing about nothing at all cos you got nothing better to do.
There’s no point to this entire thread other than crusty tools like you here trying to justify some stupid idea you have to make yourself feel better by arguing stupid nonsensical crap with strangers.
I made a perfectly non-argumentative comment about the fact that bullet quality is a contributing factor in negating the need for big calibre heavy recoiling rifles. You took that and turned it into some ####-measuring reply to somehow make yourself appear somehow superior or better than that. You probably the kind of guy that just walks around cursing and mumbling to yourself about how the world has turned into a bunch of pussies. I personally don’t give a fkuc what you think or shoot or think people should shoot or think what a bunch or pussies people must be.
Another Fudd cranky at the world cos not everyone in it agrees with him.....
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I agreed with your comment regarding the effectiveness of old vs new bullet technology. I then stated that there were other reasons and desires in play in the selection of a cartridge or rifle. Sheer utility and "need" only play a part in the decision, and for some folks it can be a pretty small part and they shouldn't be ridiculed for that. I didn't know we had a problem until your next response, which was the point at which a civil debate turned into something about "####-measuring".

You're right about one thing; this entire thread is indeed a waste of time. Nobody came here to hash out the problems of the world, it's just a time-waster while relaxing with a morning coffee, something for "crusty tools" and "D-bags" to have some fun with. What's a superior intellect like yours doing here? That's a rhetorical question, by the way...keep your #### in your pants, I'll do the same, and let's play nice.
 
I really enjoy a friends .416 Rigby, Not as painful as a 45-70 trapper with max bullet weight and charge, like someone's Marlin the owner was afraid to shoot that I sighted in for him..
 
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jjohnwm said:
I agreed with your comment regarding the effectiveness of old vs new bullet technology. I then stated that there were other reasons and desires in play in the selection of a cartridge or rifle. Sheer utility and "need" only play a part in the decision, and for some folks it can be a pretty small part and they shouldn't be ridiculed for that. I didn't know we had a problem until your next response, which was the point at which a civil debate turned into something about "####-measuring".

You're right about one thing; this entire thread is indeed a waste of time. Nobody came here to hash out the problems of the world, it's just a time-waster while relaxing with a morning coffee, something for "crusty tools" and "D-bags" to have some fun with. What's a superior intellect like yours doing here? That's a rhetorical question, by the way...keep your #### in your pants, I'll do the same, and let's play nice.
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Threads like this are always a missed opportunity for some actual constructive conversations. Instead of thread being title “when did people become recoil wimps” and just degenerating into what this one (And multitudes like it) has become, it could have been titled something along the lines of “what is your recoil comfort level and how does that factor into your shooting activities?” ....
I’m pretty sure with a title like that instead of the current passive aggressive semi-confrontational Thread title it currently has then you and the others would probably get a much more constructive platform for mutually respectful conversation...?
I personally like shooting big guns and own a few. I like my 9.3x62, I like my 54cal blackpowder muzzleloader , I like noise and smoke and I don’t mind the recoil one bit. But I do hunt a lot and I recognize the advantage of a light weight rifle that is comfortable to carry all day in the mountains and won’t belt the #### out of me when I shoot it. A smaller calibre , lower recoiling , lightweight short action rifle with a top quality bullet is much more pleasant to use than a big booming rifle that weighs 9-12 pounds scoped and loaded that I have to lug up and down mountains all day long.
Having said all that my go-to hunting rifle is a Tikka T3 Hunter in 30-06 shooting Sako 180 grain Super Hammerhead ammo.
I hunt , I target shoot, I plink for fun , I enjoy all aspects of shooting and would also enjoy constructive conversations about anything to do with those topics...
But a thread titled “when did people become wimps” ain’t where I’m interested in doing it ...
 
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