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- Thread starter jacob.22
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Seems it was taken in a WMU that bans hunting white moose.
blasted_saber
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- A blue part of Ontario
Herd, in this case, is referring to all the moose in a given area. Not literally a group of animals traveling together.
Q: Which scenario best honours such a unique animal?
A. Moose falls through the ice and rots at the bottom of a lake.
B. Moose is attacked by wolves and bits of its white coat dot raven and wolf sh*t for miles around.
C. Moose is struck by a logging truck on the Trans Canada, and rots in the ditch.
D. Moose is harvested by a hunter, all meat is used, and hide is preserved to show others for generations to come.
Every moose dies. Average life expectancy for a Bull is 8 years. There is no hospice for moose. No passionate care. EVERY “natural” death a moose endures provides substantially more suffering than a bullet through the lungs. They feed, f**k, then they die. Might as well fill a freezer and have a skin to remember it by.
That said, follow the regs for the WMU you’re in.
A. Moose falls through the ice and rots at the bottom of a lake.
B. Moose is attacked by wolves and bits of its white coat dot raven and wolf sh*t for miles around.
C. Moose is struck by a logging truck on the Trans Canada, and rots in the ditch.
D. Moose is harvested by a hunter, all meat is used, and hide is preserved to show others for generations to come.
Every moose dies. Average life expectancy for a Bull is 8 years. There is no hospice for moose. No passionate care. EVERY “natural” death a moose endures provides substantially more suffering than a bullet through the lungs. They feed, f**k, then they die. Might as well fill a freezer and have a skin to remember it by.
That said, follow the regs for the WMU you’re in.
I know, I just had an early morning laugh to myself. Was up too late on nights...
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Sunchild2071
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- Glen Park, AB
Follow the regs is right. First and most important. Whether you agree with them, or not.
If you disagree with them, and are unwilling to do anything more about it than type on your keyboard on some internet forum, then you really have nothing to say.
As for the rest, (and BTW kodiakjack, you have some extremely valid points in your post, is why I quoted it. NOT to single you, yourself out), we as humans generally speaking do not observe natural law. If humans did not exist, points A and B could still happen. The biggest difference is in both points A and B, natural law takes course, and everything will work out just fine. Nature does not need us. And nature does not need anyone to lay out a blueprint or rules of what to do when "____". It just happens, because nature knows what to do - natural law. Simple. Just as in point C, natural law will take over once the carcass is down, and fix what intervention f'd up.
In point D, the first part is possible (again, regs matter). I have a hard time believing even in half of all moose harvested is "all meat is used". (Moose nose soup, anyone?) A good portion, perhaps, but hardly all. (Again, properly taken care of after this point, natural law will deal with the rest).
My answer would be the scenario that best follows natural law. Mostly because I also would be one of the ones that would pass on the shot (if it was legal and such an opportunity presented) based on my own personal set of guidelines. To each, their own. I will never be that hungry or desperate that I would need to take the shot. I'm also not of the type who will wait on the edge of the WMU until it "crosses the line" so I can eradicate it. And I'm also fine with my own ego, so I don't need to hang it on a wall to prove whatever to the world, or anyone. Natural law made it, and it will also provide others for other generations to see.
Another thread that points out a simple truth. One group put some time and effort into getting protection for such an animal in some specific areas. I would surmise there may have been some opposition at the time, but quite evidently - not enough. So protected in those specific areas, it is. End of story. But many find it more important to whine.
Interesting that no post in this thread recognizes that Woodhouse, who happens to be willing to put up cash for info in the matter, also is willing to divert that same cash to the legal defence of an individual if they step up and take the hit for what they did. I'd say that guy is fairly decent, not "shocked". If someone "made a mistake", seems like there is no angst involved, at least from that individual. Unless I read the article wrong.
limit time
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- Cliffs of Dover
After a certain time, they can’t breed anymore ...just sayin. Also, You guys have a gentleman’s agreement. If some one else came across it, it’d die .
blasted_saber
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- A blue part of Ontario
Thats crazy, but you do you.
Do you have any source for such a claim? I haven't read anything that would support that. My understanding was a buck can breed until hes dead once he hits ###ual maturity, but once they get older than 6 or so it becomes harder, not because he can't get it up/produce viable sperm, but rather because the 4-6 year old bucks won't let him access the does. I'm always looking to expand my understanding though, so if you've got a source I'd love to read it.
If it's illegal, then it's poaching, case closed...no matter how nonsensical the law may be.
But if it's legal, I would not hesitate to shoot that animal, especially if moose were as few and far between as they have been in many areas I have hunted them. If there were a moose behind every tree, I would shoot a white one only if I could keep the pelt and tan it as a trophy. If I weren't willing to spend the effort and/or money to do that, I'd let it walk.
As far as it being a "spirit" animal...well, if you believe that, then don't shoot one. I don't believe it, and that wouldn't enter into my decision-making equation. BUT...if I knew that some folks felt this way, I sure as heck wouldn't shoot the damned thing, take just the meat and then leave the hide on display rotting by the roadside just to piss people off. These guys could have utilized the meat and then taken a bit of extra effort to bury or otherwise get the hide out of sight...but some folks just don't have a considerate bone in their bodies.
But if it's legal, I would not hesitate to shoot that animal, especially if moose were as few and far between as they have been in many areas I have hunted them. If there were a moose behind every tree, I would shoot a white one only if I could keep the pelt and tan it as a trophy. If I weren't willing to spend the effort and/or money to do that, I'd let it walk.
As far as it being a "spirit" animal...well, if you believe that, then don't shoot one. I don't believe it, and that wouldn't enter into my decision-making equation. BUT...if I knew that some folks felt this way, I sure as heck wouldn't shoot the damned thing, take just the meat and then leave the hide on display rotting by the roadside just to piss people off. These guys could have utilized the meat and then taken a bit of extra effort to bury or otherwise get the hide out of sight...but some folks just don't have a considerate bone in their bodies.
Like I give a pinch of poo what some other group is claiming is sacred. It's a fast path to nobody being able to do anything!
If it's legal to shoot it, fair enough. I'll happily barbeque 'sacred' hamburgers and eat them in front of anyone who sees fit to protest.
As long as he never wanders into someone else's line of sight that's your guys prerogative. But you gotta have a better understanding than one fella here did, when he was whining about someone shooting the buck he had been feeding all summer, in that it isn't yours, until you tag it, no matter how much time or money you have vested in it.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
One thing fer sure, if I ever tagged a white moose I'd STFU!!
Max Venturi
Member
- Location
- Abbotsford
This is nothing more than additional propaganda to help convince the general population how DANGEROUS hunters are, while trying to generate more public support for the gun-grabbers to further their agenda.
This issue has nothing to do with a white moose, and everything to do with gun ownership.
This issue has nothing to do with a white moose, and everything to do with gun ownership.
