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Where would one be able to fondle a bersa thunder pro in southern Ontario? I can't seem to find anyone who sells them here.
Hard to find one anywhere but the EE these days, not a super well known or popular pistol in Canada although they get fantastic reviews. I would imagine holsters, extra mags etc would be a pain to find also. I would love to try one out but I’ve never seen one in the flesh and don’t know a single person who has one.
 
NP 29 OR NP 22 Both great , or a glock 17 gen 4 but lots more of course
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Never really understood why people are attracted to some sort of "budget" price categories? I guess I just don't see the economy of spending money/range/ammo on a platform that isn't atleast first rate or middle of the pack? I guess if you only plan on shooting a couple boxes through it and then shelving it.

by the time you buy say 5 cases of ammo, a holster and a good deal of spare mags.... the initial price of the gun is kinda irrelevant.
 
Late to the party here, but I will throw in my 2 cents.

I have had maybe a dozen 9mms over the years. First thing I recommend is buy used if at all possible. Shoot it for a bit and if you do not like it you can get rid of it for around what you paid for it.

I would really recommend,like others have,to find a club and ask to try some out. Many I have bought are because of trying someone else's out. Wwnt to buy a red dot off one guy and ended up taking him out of the handgun underneath it :).

For something inexpensive I would recommend, if there is no way to try one out first, I become OCD about checking the EE here. If you are fast you can sometimes get a good deal. If you are in not rush, wait until after Christmas when credit card bills come due. Hate to seem likea vulture, but somebody not knowing when to stop buying can bea benefit to you.

Okay, now into guns. The two I would recommend near your price range are the Sig P320 and the Glock 17. Found the Sig had a better trigger out of the box, and the swappable lower frames is better than swappable backstraps. Other nice hitting is if you decide to alter the stippling and muck it up, it is cheap to get a new one.

I would go with a Glock 17 or 19. I have a 19 and love it, but I also have a CZ Shadow and A CZ SP01 Shadowline. I like the G19 being small and cool, but the G17 is easier to control and the longer sight radius makes it more accurate.

Tried a S&W M&P, actually a few. Never bought one if that tells you what I think of them.

As for red dot capable, it is a nice feature but not required unless you want it. A good set of ESS Crossbow shooting glasses and a prescription insert solved my problem and now I do not need a reddot on every handgun I own.
 
I have had maybe a dozen 9mms over the years. First thing I recommend is buy used if at all possible. Shoot it for a bit and if you do not like it you can get rid of it for around what you paid for it.

I would really recommend,like others have,to find a club and ask to try some out. Many I have bought are because of trying someone else's out. Wwnt to buy a red dot off one guy and ended up taking him out of the handgun underneath it :).

For something inexpensive I would recommend, if there is no way to try one out first, I become OCD about checking the EE here. If you are fast you can sometimes get a good deal. If you are in not rush, wait until after Christmas when credit card bills come due. Hate to seem likea vulture, but somebody not knowing when to stop buying can bea benefit to you.

LOL that's what I'm doing! OCD to the extreme. The wife actually recommended to wait after Christmas to find what I actually want.

Okay, now into guns. The two I would recommend near your price range are the Sig P320 and the Glock 17. Found the Sig had a better trigger out of the box, and the swappable lower frames is better than swappable backstraps. Other nice hitting is if you decide to alter the stippling and muck it up, it is cheap to get a new one.

I would go with a Glock 17 or 19. I have a 19 and love it, but I also have a CZ Shadow and A CZ SP01 Shadowline. I like the G19 being small and cool, but the G17 is easier to control and the longer sight radius makes it more accurate.

Tried a S&W M&P, actually a few. Never bought one if that tells you what I think of them.

As for red dot capable, it is a nice feature but not required unless you want it. A good set of ESS Crossbow shooting glasses and a prescription insert solved my problem and now I do not need a reddot on every handgun I own.

This is very helpful. I was also looking into the cz p10 and fn 509. So many to choose from! It's great. When I get a chance, I'm going to hold as many as I can before buying used on EE.

To the OP, look up Hicock45 on youtube. He's amazing to watch and has a reviews on most of these firearms that have been mentioned.
 
I was interested in the CZ P10 until I saw this video:


You can start around 10:30 for the main bad part.

At this point you wonder what the point is of saving $100 or $200...
 
Hard to find one anywhere but the EE these days, not a super well known or popular pistol in Canada although they get fantastic reviews. I would imagine holsters, extra mags etc would be a pain to find also. I would love to try one out but I’ve never seen one in the flesh and don’t know a single person who has one.

Pretty much fits SIG holster I understand.
 
Never really understood why people are attracted to some sort of "budget" price categories? I guess I just don't see the economy of spending money/range/ammo on a platform that isn't atleast first rate or middle of the pack? I guess if you only plan on shooting a couple boxes through it and then shelving it.

by the time you buy say 5 cases of ammo, a holster and a good deal of spare mags.... the initial price of the gun is kinda irrelevant.

I don't see any value in spending more money than I need to for the same result.

Eg: I have a Nork 1911 I paid about $350 for it. My buddy bought a new Sig 1911, He paid $1600.00. Is it more reliable than mine? Nope. Is it more accurate than mine? Not that I can see. Is it nicer than mine? Yes it is; but is it $1200.00 nicer than mine? Nope, but maybe a couple hundred dollars nicer. Mine came from the factory with a satin chrome finish and adjustable rear sight; I put a set of inexpensive fully checkered rosewood grips on it, and IMO it looks nicer than the drab, combat finished SIG. There are good "budget" priced guns out there, not always cheap because of quality. The economy of the country of origin has a big effect on price. A couple of years ago, a new, all steel Jericho was a "budget" priced hand-gun; but not a cheap gun. On par with CZ or Tanfoglio (glad I bought one when I did, as they are now about $300.00 more if you can find them). I don't advocate buying crap, but I try not to get bent-over too hard on a transaction either.
 
I recently picked a brand new NP34 (Sig P228 norinco clone) at Tenda for $308 tax included. I have two of these and both are fantastic. I did some tune up on them and they run just as well as any of my sigs

I have one of the NP34's. Haven't had a chance to fire it yet. I carried a S&W 5946 for 17 1/2 years, so a heavy trigger pull is no big deal to me. I have big hands and am still fairly strong, so I can see myself rather enjoying this pistol.
 
I don't see any value in spending more money than I need to for the same result.

Eg: I have a Nork 1911 I paid about $350 for it. My buddy bought a new Sig 1911, He paid $1600.00. Is it more reliable than mine? Nope. Is it more accurate than mine? Not that I can see. Is it nicer than mine? Yes it is; but is it $1200.00 nicer than mine? Nope, but maybe a couple hundred dollars nicer. Mine came from the factory with a satin chrome finish and adjustable rear sight; I put a set of inexpensive fully checkered rosewood grips on it, and IMO it looks nicer than the drab, combat finished SIG. There are good "budget" priced guns out there, not always cheap because of quality. The economy of the country of origin has a big effect on price. A couple of years ago, a new, all steel Jericho was a "budget" priced hand-gun; but not a cheap gun. On par with CZ or Tanfoglio (glad I bought one when I did, as they are now about $300.00 more if you can find them). I don't advocate buying crap, but I try not to get bent-over too hard on a transaction either.
I gotta agree, my first handgun was an FNS9LS I paid $399 for brand new during an Easter sale about 5 years ago. I have since moved on to Glocks, but that FNS has over 20,000 rounds thru it and still looks brand new, amazing value for a “ cheap” pistol. There are some great deals to be had on certain inexpensive handguns these days, and as a Scotsman I love a good deal :)
 
My buddy has had nothing but problems with his CZ handguns (parts breaking), but to be fair he seems to have pretty bad luck with reliability. Even his M17 malfunctioned a bunch.
 
I don't see any value in spending more money than I need to for the same result.

Eg: I have a Nork 1911 I paid about $350 for it. My buddy bought a new Sig 1911, He paid $1600.00. Is it more reliable than mine? Nope. Is it more accurate than mine? Not that I can see. Is it nicer than mine? Yes it is; but is it $1200.00 nicer than mine? Nope, but maybe a couple hundred dollars nicer. Mine came from the factory with a satin chrome finish and adjustable rear sight; I put a set of inexpensive fully checkered rosewood grips on it, and IMO it looks nicer than the drab, combat finished SIG. There are good "budget" priced guns out there, not always cheap because of quality. The economy of the country of origin has a big effect on price. A couple of years ago, a new, all steel Jericho was a "budget" priced hand-gun; but not a cheap gun. On par with CZ or Tanfoglio (glad I bought one when I did, as they are now about $300.00 more if you can find them). I don't advocate buying crap, but I try not to get bent-over too hard on a transaction either.

I thought the Jericho have an aluminum frame?
 
Never really understood why people are attracted to some sort of "budget" price categories? I guess I just don't see the economy of spending money/range/ammo on a platform that isn't atleast first rate or middle of the pack? I guess if you only plan on shooting a couple boxes through it and then shelving it.

by the time you buy say 5 cases of ammo, a holster and a good deal of spare mags.... the initial price of the gun is kinda irrelevant.

As stated, it's not always about how mych you spend. I picked up a lightly used Norc NZ85B which is one of their best. it's a copy of the CZ85/Tanfoglio. I swapped for a better mainsping and recoil spring, put a Hogue grip on it and a front fibre optic sight. All in under $500 and it is a solid pistol with a great trigger and shoots as well as pistols at twice the price or more. Similarly, I got a Norc 1911A1 for $300 and spent another $200 on some Wilson combat, and Dlask parts and springs, a Hogue grip and did a trigger job on it and have a really nice 1911 with much improved trigger weight and feel from stock for $500.
 
As stated, it's not always about how mych you spend. I picked up a lightly used Norc NZ85B which is one of their best. it's a copy of the CZ85/Tanfoglio. I swapped for a better mainsping and recoil spring, put a Hogue grip on it and a front fibre optic sight. All in under $500 and it is a solid pistol with a great trigger and shoots as well as pistols at twice the price or more. Similarly, I got a Norc 1911A1 for $300 and spent another $200 on some Wilson combat, and Dlask parts and springs, a Hogue grip and did a trigger job on it and have a really nice 1911 with much improved trigger weight and feel from stock for $500.

And I have 2 used cz sp01 shadows that I paid about $500 each for.

I do understand the tinkering aspect ect, but would never recommend something to a new person that needs work or tinkering to make it "right" or keep it running. Or something odd ball that has no parts/warranty/accessory support.

Grab any of the used duty pistols, like a glock, m&p 2.0 and you don't need to worry for countless thousand rounds.
 
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