Some of you CF guys probably recognize some of this junk.

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Litterly junk.. But if you read the fine print. These cannot be put back on the road, scrap value only, same with the brass.

Access to the Purchaser's premises in order to witness the destruction: Upon request, the Purchaser must give representatives of the Custodian access to the Purchaser's premises for the purpose of witnessing the crushing/smelting.
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The buyer will have to destroy the vehicles and provide a Certificate of Destruction for each unit. A document format will be provided by the Department of National Defence (DND)
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OkayShooter said:
LSVW and the squeeky brakes, I still can hear the fuel pump ticking. Or the MLVW and the park brake sticking, what a stupid design.
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How about the 8.2 fuel pincher, AKA the boat anchor, I think by the time I left Gagetown we where up to 500 mod's on the ML and still going.
 
8,562 kg, 18,876 lbs

I don't know what "grade" this brass is, but the going price per pound for "Yellow Brass" is $2.12, at least in Hamilton.

That's about $40,017.

Starting bid is $30,000.

But the listing says you can't sell the brass to a third party, you have to smelt it first yourself.

I know nothing about brass or scrap, but wouldn't this be a pretty low profit margin for the buyer?
 
Who wants to go in with me for the baker's dozen of MLVWs?

I say why not. On the other hand I'm surprised we didn't sell them to Chad or Congo or another one of our strategic allies, where they with enjoy yet another 55 years of service
 
Over_Kill said:
8,562 kg, 18,876 lbs

I don't know what "grade" this brass is, but the going price per pound for "Yellow Brass" is $2.12, at least in Hamilton.

That's about $40,017.

Starting bid is $30,000.

But the listing says you can't sell the brass to a third party, you have to smelt it first yourself.

I know nothing about brass or scrap, but wouldn't this be a pretty low profit margin for the buyer?
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No, its not a low profit margin, its a net loss. I believe but not sure, but scrap brass from ammo carries an even lower value, but even if it didn’t, by the time you pay for transport and pay to smelt it, submit all the paperwork, pay your driver, pay the guys at the/your foundry, i can’t see breaking even, even if there was the single bid of of 30k. Not worth it at all.
 
bigrack said:
How about the 8.2 fuel pincher, AKA the boat anchor, I think by the time I left Gagetown we where up to 500 mod's on the ML and still going.
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Yup... Drove from Halifax to Gagetown, MANY times in those, Actually I rather drive that 10x, than driving them in winter. Not sure how many I spun out on ice, or times in ditches. Put one in the ditch after climbing the hill at Argus Range. Nearly got rear ended going to Petersville. Had a full cab and someone hit the T case shifter to N, going up hill. But I loved offroading with them. Good times....
 
OkayShooter said:
Litterly junk.. But if you read the fine print. These cannot be put back on the road, scrap value only, same with the brass.
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At least that way you won’t have some poor unsuspecting b*stard buying an LSVW. Can they do that with the ones still in service too?
 
Nyles said:
At least that way you won’t have some poor unsuspecting b*stard buying an LSVW. Can they do that with the ones still in service too?
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Probably scrap as well. BY time the Military is done with something, they're beyond economical repair.

The buyer will have to destroy the vehicles and provide a Certificate of Destruction for each unit. A document format will be provided by the Department of National Defence (DND)
Some pictures could have to be provided as proof and the site will have to be accessible to the DND employees so they can ensure the Crown that the vehicles are not resold whole or for parts.
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Over_Kill said:
8,562 kg, 18,876 lbs

I don't know what "grade" this brass is, but the going price per pound for "Yellow Brass" is $2.12, at least in Hamilton.

That's about $40,017.

Starting bid is $30,000.

But the listing says you can't sell the brass to a third party, you have to smelt it first yourself.

I know nothing about brass or scrap, but wouldn't this be a pretty low profit margin for the buyer?
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Cash for trash lists yellow brass as 1.50/lb.

Seems like someone set the minimum bid based on the value of the brass as small arms cartridges, and then didn't consider that value when setting the requirement to destroy it.

If he purchase price of new brass is $2, when you consider smelt, refine, reform into new raw material, the residual value of those cases as bulk material as a raw input is probably $0.20 per lb.

When you consider someone has to arrange shipping at their own expense, and has epic reporting requirements, if the buyer is not permitted to reload it, then the government should be paying someone to take it.

OkayShooter said:
Probably scrap as well. BY time the Military is done with something, they're beyond economical repair.
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The LS VWs were beyond economic repair the day we took delivery of them.

The MLs were a solid 60s era truck that served well past their intended life span. Stupidest thing I've ever done was in 06: drive an uparmoured MLVW from Spin Boldak to KAF. At night. With a Trailer.
 
All conversations about usefulness of these trucks aside, I need a vinyl LSVW tarp to replace the sunburnt one I have in use now.

If someone wins the bids on these LS' hit me up and I'll take all the tarps off you. Or, if you have one, send me a PM.

*** I refuse to buy an LSVW on principle, but a US M35A2 multifueler of the M35A3 automatic transmission might get my juices flowing ***
 
Cameron SS said:
The LS VWs were beyond economic repair the day we took delivery of them.

The MLs were a solid 60s era truck that served well past their intended life span. Stupidest thing I've ever done was in 06: drive an uparmoured MLVW from Spin Boldak to KAF. At night. With a Trailer.
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Yeah I hatted the LSVW.

Gawd..
 
Long ago and far away in the UN we used stock US Army M35A2C multifuelers and thought they were a simple, sound and well proven military vehicle. I had some input back when they were planning the MLVW as a replacement for the 1951-56 vintage deuce and a halfs. My suggestion was to build the straight M35A2C as is, but add a hard cab and a heater - nothing more.

The M35A2C had a manual transmission which was very simple and reliable, but the powers that be decided that an automatic transmission was necessary because a lot of the incoming female drivers wouldn't be strong enough to depress the clutch and accomplish a manual shift.:sok2

Question of the day; Which lasted longer, the old 1951-56 deuces or the MLVWs?
 
Light Infantry said:
No, its not a low profit margin, its a net loss. I believe but not sure, but scrap brass from ammo carries an even lower value, but even if it didn’t, by the time you pay for transport and pay to smelt it, submit all the paperwork, pay your driver, pay the guys at the/your foundry, i can’t see breaking even, even if there was the single bid of of 30k. Not worth it at all.
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Not to mention 90% of scrape dealers will not touch any ammo component dues to potential issues of UXO.
 
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purple said:
Long ago and far away in the UN we used stock US Army M35A2C multifuelers and thought they were a simple, sound and well proven military vehicle. I had some input back when they were planning the MLVW as a replacement for the 1951-56 vintage deuce and a halfs. My suggestion was to build the straight M35A2C as is, but add a hard cab and a heater - nothing more.

The M35A2C had a manual transmission which was very simple and reliable, but the powers that be decided that an automatic transmission was necessary because a lot of the incoming female drivers wouldn't be strong enough to depress the clutch and accomplish a manual shift.:sok2

Question of the day; Which lasted longer, the old 1951-56 deuces or the MLVWs?
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I loved the sound of that 302 six in the Deuce, under load
 
Oldest trick in the Government's book: make the fool Taxpayers shell out top dollar for something built by their pals, use it to destruction, sell it off top-dollar as surplus..... and don't allow them to use it.

Few years ago I was out on a drilling rig, taking pictures, heard a familiar scream. Looked around, finally went to the mud tank and there it was: ancient GM 6-71 screaming away...... with the instrument panel from one of our Shermans bolted onto the block. At least that one escaped!

Government did the same with all those nice gold $5 and $10 pieces we made in 1912-'13/'14 (one the prettiest coins ever made). Made 'em, issued 'em at a profit, called 'em all in "for the war effort", put 'em in storage, waited for the gold price to go 'way up (as it will if your inflation through incompetence is high enough.... as it was), sorted through 'em, sold the best to dealers at a profit, destroyed all the rest, sold the gold, made another "profit". Limited available supply keeps the dealers' margin high. Only losers were the Canadian people.

It is downright amazing how venal and greedy our Government can be.

But then, the only losers are the Canadian people.

Am I getting downright discouraged? Or is this just Old Age creeping up?

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BTW, standard Yellow Brass is 85/15 copper-zinc ratio by weight, Cartridge Brass is 70/30. That's why the lower price for cartridges: less copper. The UXO problem is on top of that.
 
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