Type 81, market futures

firebat said:
and there's nothing wrong with that.. :)
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nope, nothing at all.

It's a buyers market now. Just PM every single one and find the guy who gives you the best deal.

I always laugh when the seller wants you to pay him for the taxes he already payed... lol, get real! You payed the taxes already. I'm not inclined to pay the taxes unless you have a GST/PST/HST account.
 
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45ACPKING said:
are the T81 rifles better or worse than a true SKS-D (ak mag release type)

and how does the arrival of these rifles affect the value of pristine condition SKS-D rifles

from all the accuracy reports I've seen, I'm not sure the t-81 is an upgrade from an sks-d
haven't had the chance to hold or fire one so is why i ask.
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Murray 3-D said:
IMO A sks-d is basically an SKS.... id honestly rate it below ur average sks cus it lacks a last round hold open. In comparison to Vz58 and Type 81 mags.....AK mags are overrated.

A Type 81 rifle:

Possibly lighter
Better balanced
Has a better trigger
Better safety
Feeds soft points better
Has better ergos
Easier to clean
Has a softer recoil impulse
Is more unique
Looks more like an AK
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well sum up.
 
Murray 3-D said:
IMO A sks-d is basically an SKS.... id honestly rate it below ur average sks cus it lacks a last round hold open. In comparison to Vz58 and Type 81 mags.....AK mags are overrated.

A Type 81 rifle:

Possibly lighter
Better balanced
Has a better trigger
Better safety
Feeds soft points better
Has better ergos
Easier to clean
Has a softer recoil impulse
Is more unique
Looks more like an AK
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yes this is the kind of reply i was seeking, thankyou .... and .....well, I'll have to find one to try out.
I get that a lot of folks want that AK look but I've never been on that train.
I have shot a couple versions of the valmets and they are very nice but heavy
The early CZ and VZ imports I have also tried but didn't grow on me.

anyhow..... back to the T81 discussion ;)
 
emerson said:
Please sell me your house for what you paid 6 months-40 years ago. It’s the right thing to do....
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Good non-sequitur. You follow the conversation well.

Murray 3-D said:
A Type 81 rifle:

Possibly lighter
Better balanced
Has a better trigger
Better safety
Feeds soft points better
Has better ergos
Easier to clean
Has a softer recoil impulse
Is more unique
Looks more like an AK
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All likely true, but if I'm limited shooting 12x12 plates under 200 yrds, it's less fun. For me.

Happiness is plinking at 300 with an SKS and hearing the 'ding' of the gong, because by the time the sound gets back to you, the electronic muffs are already back on.
 
Tyler said:
All likely true, but if I'm limited shooting 12x12 plates under 200 yrds, it's less fun. For me.

Happiness is plinking at 300 with an SKS and hearing the 'ding' of the gong, because by the time the sound gets back to you, the electronic muffs are already back on.
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I agree. Lack of accuracy is a major con to the Type 81 platform in my opinion as well. The only reason why i kept mine was because of its AK resemblance and pleasant recoil impulse.

Of course there are plenty here that could care less if a 7.62x39 shot 2 moa or 6 moa. And i understand their reasoning as well.
 
Not sure I agree with these points

- the T81 safety is aweful bit I don't use any way so no big deal
- trigger pull is pretty much the same - long and creepy
- I find SKS easier to field strip, pulling out on the Type 81 rear sight is awkward and harder on the fingers with its serrated edges than the SKS lever
- Don't see how it is any easier or more difficult to clean than an SKS other than the more awkward field strip as above
- recoil is pretty much the same, its the same bullet going out the barrel and its only the heavier T81 LMG that would make it feel less
- accuracy is pretty much the same 3-4 inches at 100 yards for my SKSs and T81
- SKS is much better value for money given similar shooting experience meaning you can buy a couple of cases of ammo
- if quality is an issue for you then a Yugo SKS is better than anything from China and still cheaper than a T81
 
55recce said:
Not sure I agree with these points

- the T81 safety is aweful bit I don't use any way so no big deal
- trigger pull is pretty much the same - long and creepy
- I find SKS easier to field strip, pulling out on the Type 81 rear sight is awkward and harder on the fingers with its serrated edges than the SKS lever
- Don't see how it is any easier or more difficult to clean than an SKS other than the more awkward field strip as above
- recoil is pretty much the same, its the same bullet going out the barrel and its only the heavier T81 LMG that would make it feel less
- accuracy is pretty much the same 3-4 inches at 100 yards for my SKSs and T81
- SKS is much better value for money given similar shooting experience meaning you can buy a couple of cases of ammo
- if quality is an issue for you then a Yugo SKS is better than anything from China and still cheaper than a T81
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-The Type 81 safety may suck, but its more silent, can be actuated with a thumb and most importantly is safer in two aspects. For one the trigger mechanism sear isnt in line with the recoil axis and two it doesnt involve swiping ur finger right by the trigger.

- Trigger measures on Type 81s at around 7lbs, a lot of SKS rifles are measured above that. The Type 81 has a much more noticeable and audible reset thus ultimately making it a better trigger for those who use triggers properly.

- Never said the Type 81 was easier to field strip. I said it was easier to clean. This is due to its simpler gas system. On the SKS your have to fiddle around with cleaning the gas tube which otherwise tends to corrode first.

- Yes they fire the same round. But the Type 81s action cycles less vigorously. The bolt carrier doesnt beat the back of the receiver as noticeably thus providing a more smooth/pleasant recoil impulse. This physical phenomenon has been noted by numerous Type 81 owners.
 
45ACPKING said:
are the T81 rifles better or worse than a true SKS-D (ak mag release type)

and how does the arrival of these rifles affect the value of pristine condition SKS-D rifles

from all the accuracy reports I've seen, I'm not sure the t-81 is an upgrade from an sks-d
haven't had the chance to hold or fire one so is why i ask.
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The Type 81 magazine system is smoother than the Sks-d. As for accuracy its cold so can’t comment on that yet.
 
55recce said:
Not sure I agree with these points

- the T81 safety is aweful bit I don't use any way so no big deal
- trigger pull is pretty much the same - long and creepy
- I find SKS easier to field strip, pulling out on the Type 81 rear sight is awkward and harder on the fingers with its serrated edges than the SKS lever
- Don't see how it is any easier or more difficult to clean than an SKS other than the more awkward field strip as above
- recoil is pretty much the same, its the same bullet going out the barrel and its only the heavier T81 LMG that would make it feel less
- accuracy is pretty much the same 3-4 inches at 100 yards for my SKSs and T81
- SKS is much better value for money given similar shooting experience meaning you can buy a couple of cases of ammo
- if quality is an issue for you then a Yugo SKS is better than anything from China and still cheaper than a T81
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The yugo SKS are mighty heavy though.
 
You also need to consider where SKS is better than Type 81

- it is a far better buy for rifle of same function/quality/ accuracy. You can still buy SKS for $300 as opposed to $2k for type 81. You can buys SKS, 4 crates of ammo and still take the wife out for dinner for the same price as a T81
- SkS easier to field strip
- SKS does not have long/large useless 30 rd/drum hanging out of bottom that makes T81 heavier,clumsier, more difficult to shoot off bench
- IMHO sights, safety better on SKS
- Many after market accessories for SKS none for Type 81
- I use optic mount for SKS on rear cover - not perfect but holds zero reasonably well after field strip
- Lots of variety in SKS for collectors, very little for Type 81
- More history and literature on SKS, very little for T81
 
scianna54 said:
Owning both I have to say that in my humble opinion the phosphate ones are just refurbished failed hot blueing. Limited edition, lol.
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i thought of that but it had to be in the first batch, say the first batch of 500 failed then they parked it cos the serial number were the first 500 or so.

so if thats the case, are there two layers of protection?
 
Curtton said:
i thought of that but it had to be in the first batch, say the first batch of 500 failed then they parked it cos the serial number were the first 500 or so.

so if thats the case, are there two layers of protection?
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I would have to scratch it off but not sure if you can do it on an already finished gun. I did a lot of work on antique guns and the finish on the blued ones looks much better and protective than on the phosphate. It looks more like a paint job with flat paint than a chemical process to bare metal. In no way it justifies the hype about the "limited edition" model.
 
Jmcc said:
all the ones i see on there keep getting bumped.

$2k for a very pretty SKS is kinda nuts to me
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Since the normal type 81 already go for more than a blued LMG, what price will TI put on the batch coming in next year? Also $500 price difference from standard to LMG is in no way justified. For myself (and maybe others will come to the same conclusion), I have to think about how many (more) potentially prohibited guns I want to put in my safe.

Having said this, the SKS may be the only semi which is not going on the prohibited list, considering how much it is used for hunting by first nation folks.
 
EE is polluted with type 81s right now, once even had the nerve to complain about low-ballers. No sympathy when you tack 500 bucks onto retail price. Looks like we have more grifters then suckers right now.
 
Tomasaurus said:
EE is polluted with type 81s right now, once even had the nerve to complain about low-ballers. No sympathy when you tack 500 bucks onto retail price. Looks like we have more grifters then suckers right now.
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Especially if they do not come with drum magazine. Effectively a type 81 LMG is 1500 plus 200 for the drum plus 5 % tax plus shipping/insurance - which puts them at close to $1,900 - shipping is a ##### for those since the box is 120 cm, oversized.

What buggers me even more is the packing list which shows sling, 2 mags and drum as standard and the foam is shaped for this. The price should be $1,500 for this configuration - then the $500 price tag over a standard type 81 would actually make sense.

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scianna54 said:
Especially if they do not come with drum magazine. Effectively a type 81 LMG is 1500 plus 200 for the drum plus 5 % tax plus shipping/insurance - which puts them at close to $1,900 - shipping is a ##### for those since the box is 120 cm, oversized.

What buggers me even more is the packing list which shows sling, 2 mags and drum as standard and the foam is shaped for this. The price should be $1,500 for this configuration - then the $500 price tag over a standard type 81 would actually make sense.

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Asking people to pay your share of your taxes is a bit ridiculous, I was told retail price minus 10% and I typically stand by that. 1500 for the full set makes more sense, maybe we will see that once the hype dies down or another shipment comes. In the meantime I wont pay sako prices for chinese junk (and if anyone takes offense to that i will remind you i've never seen a bent sako.
 
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