Short barrel deer rifle - .300 blackout?
- Thread starter Astute Observer
- Start date
Thought that was the Ruger American hunter which Ruger lists at 8.6... and since they tend to understate their weight, 9lbs seemed in the ballpark... 10+ with scope and ammo onboard.
Going that route, i'll take the Predator AICS model and 2 extra inches of barrel for 7lbs.
Irun is long out. Cant find one anywhere.
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
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Near max H110. Nosler Brass. 125 SST. I was getting 2200-2215 fps and 1 inch 5 shot groups with my 1.75-5x scope from a bench and bipod.
Again it shoots nice. Easy to handle and carry. Points easy. I just always feared seeing a monster buck at 300Y and no way to close the distance. Now if I would have filled my Buck tag and only went out with my doe tag I would have grabbed the 300BO forsure...just didn't work out that way this season.
My ballistics app says about 960ft/lb of energy at 150 yards.
No longer listed on ruger website with aics magazine. It's like the 308 ranch that is no longer being made for one Canadian retailer.
https://ruger.com/products/americanRiflePredator/models.html
rommelrommel
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Many wounded and lost for every one brought home? Don’t you think you’re being a little bit hyperbolic?
Not all that many people subsistence hunted even in that generation. Anyways, it was just to say that a lot of deer have died to caliber inferior to a 5.56 firing a premium 69 grain bullet.
The drunk uncles weren't doing the shooting, they were doing the talking...
This myth that "grandfathers" were out there making one shot kills on deer with .22's is so much BS... whenever they saw a deer they pulled out a .22 from behind the tractor seat, or off the tool shed wall and cranked off a shot... the only story told after that was about the one that dropped dead in the cabbage patch, not the dozen that ran away with a .22 slug somewhere in their body.
No...
It is funny that you think that people are using "premium 69 grain bullets."
300 blackout with a Barnes TAC-TX in either 110 or 120 gr is more than enough for deer shot at hunting ranges which is under 200 yards. Ask a bow hunter how many shots he takes over 200 yards then if he can get closer to animals ask yourself why do you suck so bad at hunting ?
I just finished rebuilding my AR with the new Renegade receiver set from Maple Ridge and it's pretty sweet with my 10.5" 300blackout barrel it's 28" OAL and very light. Now that it's NR it will be my new carry around rifle and anything you can hunt with a 30-30 you can hunt with a 110gr TAC-TX.
Always makes me laugh people who insist you need a 12lb rifle with a 6 foot long barrel shooting a 10lb bullet at 5000fps to hunt a deer
A 'hunter' should be able to get to under 100 yards from his game and take a great shot because shooting at a deer 750 yards away on the other side of a field because you can't be bothered to get out of your truck isn't hunting !
I just finished rebuilding my AR with the new Renegade receiver set from Maple Ridge and it's pretty sweet with my 10.5" 300blackout barrel it's 28" OAL and very light. Now that it's NR it will be my new carry around rifle and anything you can hunt with a 30-30 you can hunt with a 110gr TAC-TX.
Always makes me laugh people who insist you need a 12lb rifle with a 6 foot long barrel shooting a 10lb bullet at 5000fps to hunt a deer
A 'hunter' should be able to get to under 100 yards from his game and take a great shot because shooting at a deer 750 yards away on the other side of a field because you can't be bothered to get out of your truck isn't hunting !
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The further north you go, the more common subsistence hunting becomes, and in many hamlets throughout Nunavut, the variety of available ammunition that's carried at the local co-op is somewhat limited. Arguably small barren land caribou are easier to kill than whitetail deer, so to say that because an Inuit hunter kills seals and caribou with his small bore rifle, therefore I can kill deer with one too, a claim that's been made on here from time to time, isn't fair to the game. For example an ethical sport hunter wouldn't consider breaking a game animal's leg with a .22 Hornet so it could be herded to a place where it could be more conveniently slaughtered and butchered. Even today that's unlikely to occur with Inuit hunters who have access to snowmobiles and power boats, although some still travel and hunt with dogs. Small bore rifles like the .22-250 remain very popular, and are most likely loaded with factory 55 gr PSPs. Can a high velocity small bore rifle kill a deer humanely? In the right hands sure, but it the expert's gun, not the novice's. If he knows a humane killing shot can be made within 100 yards, will the novice sport hunter have the self discipline not to shoot at 150? How about 125? Will he wait for that quartering deer to turn broadside? Yet these are chump shots for even a mediocre rifleman armed with a .270 or a .308.
At one time I envisioned a survival rifle based on a Thompson Contender with a folding stock chambered for the 6mm-TCU. Today I still consider the Contender a viable platform for a survival rifle, but would probably opt for the .223 rather than the 6mm. A loaded .223 round weights about the same as a single .30 caliber bullet, about 220 grs, so a couple of pounds of ammo yields 60-65 rounds. Loaded with 64 gr Nosler Bonded Performance bullets, the .223 could fill the same role without giving up anything in terms of trajectory or terminal performance, assuming you were in any shape to hunt after a light plane or helicopter mishap, or perhaps after putting your boat into the rocks, and avoid drowning. I'd envision that rifle being used for geese and maybe caribou, although finding caribou when you're afoot in the barrens is a daunting prospect, where even finding game can consume more energy than the meat from it would provide in return. Geese on the other hand are plentiful from May till September. The key is that being armed, even minimally, provides both the hope and confidence you need to survive in a desperate situation, where your state of mind has as much to do with survival, as what you have with you.
The point of all this is that subsistence hunting is a real thing even in the modern world, but subsistence hunting is not analogous with sport hunting. The sport hunter who goes home empty handed says, "Well, that's hunting," where the subsistence hunter makes no comment, having realized that another day without food is a day closer to death.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
300 blackout with a Barnes TAC-TX in either 110 or 120 gr is more than enough for deer shot at hunting ranges which is under 200 yards. Ask a bow hunter how many shots he takes over 200 yards then if he can get closer to animals ask yourself why do you suck so bad at hunting ?
I just finished rebuilding my AR with the new Renegade receiver set from Maple Ridge and it's pretty sweet with my 10.5" 300blackout barrel it's 28" OAL and very light. Now that it's NR it will be my new carry around rifle and anything you can hunt with a 30-30 you can hunt with a 110gr TAC-TX.
Always makes me laugh people who insist you need a 12lb rifle with a 6 foot long barrel shooting a 10lb bullet at 5000fps to hunt a deer
Perhaps you haven't heard, but hunting in Canada with an AR is a bit of a problem these days; a CZ-527 in 7.62X39 isn't likely any heavier. If your definition of ethical rifle hunting is to mimic the limitations faced by a bow hunter, why do you need a rifle that offers fast repeat shots rather than a muzzle loader? Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you suck so bad at marksmanship.
Being condescending towards those who don't share your minimalist attitude won't get you very far.
BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
Exactly. Just as a Hayabusa is not the right choice for some kid fresh off the DOT motorcycle course, the 223 is not for the majority of hunters out there. In some hands and circumstances, yes, perfectly acceptable and adequate. But not everyone and all the time. Some people can't accept the fact that they have limitations. I can't dunk. Never could. But I'm not pissed at MJ because he can.
WereWeasel
CGN Regular
- Location
- Albert County, N.B
.300 HAM'R, 7.62X39, .300BO with a 150gr pill are all ballistically equal to the .30-30 I'm not sure what the hesitation is, does it need a rim or a belt to add kill factor?
