Recommend me a 165 grain. REVIVAL!

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What's your guy's thoughts on this? Accuracy wise. For the sake of not getting banged up in the magazine and feeding ramp. Pictures of a Hornady 165 grain interlock.

Now I'm looking for 308 bullet recommendations for exit wounds, no monos though. Won't use em.
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Maybe take a look at some Speer Grand Slam or the Mag Tips - pretty much what you are trying to make? Can not tell, but the "protected point" types here are pretty much rounded, even on the ends - for what you are doing may want to sort by weight after you have converted a couple dozen??

You might be losing some Ballistic Co-efficient (BC) value, but if your rifle was mangling the pointy lead tips, then you had lost that already? May or may not affect accuracy in your rifle.

A .308" 180 grain Speer Grand Slam:

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I've got it shaved right off flat, I'm gonna test out the accuracy with the Hornady's. If I'm satisfied I'm going to do it with 165 grain nosler partitions. Speaking of partitions, would you guys recommend 150's or 165's out of a carbine 308? Bush ranges 100 yards and less. More in the feet to 75 yard range. Keep in mind shots aren't always perfect, heavy quartering angles at times and 200 plus pound deer aren't uncommon. I'd like 2 holes to bleed from. But I've heard the partitions are the cats pajamas. Will absolutely not use monos
 
Saved three 30-06 shells with bashed noses . . . over 50 years ago . . . and at 100 yards the loss of accuracy was "Invenereal"!

Not a deer around that would know the difference.

The Speer and Nosler Mag Tips do not have the same BC as the Spitzer style but you might not notice the difference to 300 yards.
 
trapoholic said:
I've got it shaved right off flat, I'm gonna test out the accuracy with the Hornady's. If I'm satisfied I'm going to do it with 165 grain nosler partitions. Speaking of partitions, would you guys recommend 150's or 165's out of a carbine 308? Bush ranges 100 yards and less. More in the feet to 75 yard range. Keep in mind shots aren't always perfect, heavy quartering angles at times and 200 plus pound deer aren't uncommon. I'd like 2 holes to bleed from. But I've heard the partitions are the cats pajamas. Will absolutely not use monos
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At those distances the disfigured tips won't affect anything.
 
trapoholic said:
I've got it shaved right off flat, I'm gonna test out the accuracy with the Hornady's. If I'm satisfied I'm going to do it with 165 grain nosler partitions. Speaking of partitions, would you guys recommend 150's or 165's out of a carbine 308? Bush ranges 100 yards and less. More in the feet to 75 yard range. Keep in mind shots aren't always perfect, heavy quartering angles at times and 200 plus pound deer aren't uncommon. I'd like 2 holes to bleed from. But I've heard the partitions are the cats pajamas. Will absolutely not use monos
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I have loaded for a Win M70 in 308 Win since late 1970's. Started with Sierra 165 grain - just outstanding little 3 and 5 shot groups on targets, but two deer in a row had jacket and core all the way through and one had no exit hole. So switched to 165 Speer Hot Cor Soft Point with flat bases - #2035 - Those are the bullets that my son uses in it these days. We have taken many dozens of white tail and mule deer with it, and each of us has taken an elk with it during the time we had it. If/when we run out of those #2035 and I can not get any more, will be loading up 150 and 165 Partitions and seeing which shoots better groups in the rifle - and we will go with whichever wins, although an acquaintance is quite sure that we should at least try the Accubonds in similar weights. Muzzle velocity on my Shooting Chrony is always right around 2,800 fps, just like given in Speer and Nosler manuals, so I do not think anything "drastic" will change using Partitions instead of the good old Hot Cor in that 308 Win.

We hunt mostly in Saskatchewan. 200 pound live weight deer are probably just a bit more than "normal" size here - over the years we have had a number of carcasses - hanging, ready to cut up - that were over 200 pounds - white tail and mule deer. My son's was a spike elk, and mine was a cow elk, taken with that rifle and load.
 
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After the first round fried in my 300wsm, or my old 300wm the next 3 get progressively get flatter. The group at 300yds are the same as the ones I load one at a time. Right or wrong I've always kinda went with the old theory that the lead tip melted away anyways. ((Kinda)) because when shooting 1000yds I load 1 at a time. :)
 
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I have shot some mangled tip bullets and they went right into the group of the good ones.

That said, I have had occasion to clip the lead tip off a soft point. I clip it with a side cutter, then dress across the jacket material with a file. For hunting (under 200, and usually under 50 yards) it does not make any difference.
 
At one time it was thought that the lead tips on bullets vaporized a few yards from the muzzle.

I could never find anything definitive on the subject, other than Hornady commented that there may be a bit of erosion during flight. They didn't have any vids or pics to prove it though

I've recovered bullets from the bottom of an 8ft deep pool filled with water and the bullet shot into it at a 45 degree angle and the tips looked like they did when they were loaded into the mag, other than a visible scrape mark from the feed ramp and the impressed rifling channels.

I've also picked up spent bullets at the range, they were shot into snow. Looked just like the bullets I picked up from the bottom of the pool.


My results with mangled lead tips is the same as those of Ganderite.

BR shooters use "hollow" point bullets for the most part, things may have changed?? The reasoning behind this is the air is packed into the hole and creates a high pressure "point" on the nose of the bullet in flight, which supposedly makes for better consistency.
 
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I have loaded for a Win M70 in 308 Win since late 1970's. Started with Sierra 165 grain - just outstanding little 3 and 5 shot groups on targets, but two deer in a row had jacket and core all the way through and one had no exit hole. So switched to 165 Speer Hot Cor Soft Point with flat bases - #2035 - Those are the bullets that my son uses in it these days. We have taken many dozens of white tail and mule deer with it, and each of us has taken an elk with it during the time we had it. If/when we run out of those #2035 and I can not get any more, will be loading up 150 and 165 Partitions and seeing which shoots better groups in the rifle - and we will go with whichever wins, although an acquaintance is quite sure that we should at least try the Accubonds in similar weights. Muzzle velocity on my Shooting Chrony is always right around 2,800 fps, just like given in Speer and Nosler manuals, so I do not think anything "drastic" will change using Partitions instead of the good old Hot Cor in that 308 Win.

We hunt mostly in Saskatchewan. 200 pound live weight deer are probably just a bit more than "normal" size here - over the years we have had a number of carcasses - hanging, ready to cut up - that were over 200 pounds - white tail and mule deer. My son's was a spike elk, and mine was a cow elk, taken with that rifle and load.
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What ranges with the hot cores? And reliable exits everytime? I'm a firm believer in exit holes, especially with all the swamp and brush around my neck of the woods I need a blood trail to find them allot of the time unless I get a head or neck shot. I'm also the dogger so I need em to drive on through on some less then ideal angles allot of the time.

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I have shot some mangled tip bullets and they went right into the group of the good ones.

That said, I have had occasion to clip the lead tip off a soft point. I clip it with a side cutter, then dress across the jacket material with a file. For hunting (under 200, and usually under 50 yards) it does not make any difference.
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The man, the myth, the legend. I take your word as gospel so clipping tips doesn't seem like a bad idea now. What's your opinion on the partition?
 
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What ranges with the hot cores? And reliable exits everytime? I'm a firm believer in exit holes, especially with all the swamp and brush around my neck of the woods I need a blood trail to find them allot of the time unless I get a head or neck shot. I'm also the dogger so I need em to drive on through on some less then ideal angles allot of the time.



The man, the myth, the legend. I take your word as gospel so clipping tips doesn't seem like a bad idea now. What's your opinion on the partition?
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If you mean the Nosler Partition bullet - I have never fired one.

I think it is a new fad, so I am waiting awhile to see if anyone likes the way it performs.
 
Grand slam use to be the poor mans partition, hard lead base with softer front section, but still a heavier jacket then most bullets, they did the job.
Speer GS today are one alloy but still the heavy jacket.
Partitions are probably the best most consistent bullets ever made, half exlody, half drilly, so you get shock and pass through every time.
 
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You watched a blog? Ok. Sorry for adding to the topic.
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Thought that was the YouTube link. Don't get so bent outta shape

Hitzy said:
Grand slam use to be the poor mans partition, hard lead base with softer front section, but still a heavier jacket then most bullets, they did the job.
Speer GS today are one alloy but still the heavy jacket.
Partitions are probably the best most consistent bullets ever made, half exlody, half drilly, so you get shock and pass through every time.
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Probably the best description I've ever read hahaha
 
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What's your guy's thoughts on this? Accuracy wise. For the sake of not getting banged up in the magazine and feeding ramp. Pictures of a Hornady 165 grain interlock.
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Since nose damage to bullets results in little difference to accuracy, I don't know if your efforts will make much difference other than making you feel better. The importance of feeling better about our ammo should not be minimized; I deburr and uniform the flash holes in my brass, and I'd be hard pressed to prove a tangible benefit, but it makes me feel better. Certainly there are quite a few bullets available that utilize a protected point, but none are as affordable as the Interlocks. If the bullet nose surgery makes you feel better, by all means carry on. It might be worth weighing out your bullets to see to what extent the uniformity has changed, if at all. Another interesting experiment would be to compare the difference in trajectory at 300 yards between altered bullets and pointed bullets.
 
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