When to Clean the Barrel?

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I shot my Savage A22 today, and the groups looks a bit bigger than last time. About 200 rounds since it was cleaned last.

My first thought was to scrub the barrel. But for all I know it takes 500 rounds to season the barrel after cleaning.

What do you think?
 
I shot a different lot of CCI SV today after at least 2K rounds through my MK2. Come up think of it, that barrel has never seen a patch. A few shots of brake kleen before I got a new extractor though. Best group of groups ever. Of course only a single data point though.
 
It turns out the 10/22 still runs with nearly enough dirt inside to start growing flowers. But I can't claim to have suddenly learned how to shoot better after cleaning it.
 
I haven't shot a semi auto 22rf for a long time now. I don't even have one tucked into the back of a safe. The last one I used was a Pietta, ppsh clone with a 50 round drum.

It was a good rifle, but nothing to get excited about. After a couple of mags, accuracy quickly fell off and it needed to be cleaned. It was used to cull a lot of Richardson's Ground Squirrels.

It shot much better when cleaned every 50 to 100 rounds.

I got into the habit of cleaning all of my 22rf rifles after that much shooting, when keeping count. If not, while at the range and notice the groups opening up.

All of my subsequent rifles are definitely more consistent shooters from a cleaned bore.

I find that they seem to like any cleaning residues or bore lube wiped out to a dry bore to shoot well on the first shot, after cleaning.


The one thing I find about 22rf semi autos is that if they are shot with some time to cool between the strings allowed with full magazines, foul very little. On some of them, there can be a noticeable difference in accuracy after a couple of mag dumps, especially the 25 rounders. I was out shooting with my grandson, last spring. His Dad gave him an AR lookalike, along with three 20 round mags. We went to the local club range for some plinking fun. Four inch balloons at 25 yards, offhand.

He's sixteen. His idea of plinking fun is to see how quickly he can dump the mags, in a spray and pray fashion and maybe actually hit one or two of the balloons.

After a couple of hundred rounds of this, I noticed a bit of shimmer coming off his barrel. It was HOT. To hot to touch comfortably. Yes he was loading it with Stingers, but I didn't think it would get that hot.

We hadn't been checking it for accuracy, so didn't notice any degradation. When he finished his sixth string of all three mags, 360 rounds, I asked him to stop shooting and feel the heat from his barrel. He just laughed and said it was normal, which is quite likely from that sort of shooting, which I have nothing against.

I asked him to let me have a look at the rifle, so I could check out the bore. Surprisingly it looked quite clean, other than what appeared to be powder residue.

I asked him if I could clean it and he was ok with it, after commenting that he and his Dad had put at least 10k rounds through it over the last couple of years.

When I cleaned it, it really wasn't bad.

For tough cleaning chores, that need to be completed quickly, I use a mix of 50/50 vinegar/hydrogen peroxide (the weak stuff for human use, about 3% peroxide)

This stuff will get rid of old, packed down lead based bullet material, left behind in bores pdq. It needs to be used properly though and with care.

There wasn't a lot of lead residue in that bore, but there were a couple of noticeable bits on the bottom of the plastic bucket (this stuff is nasty, dispose of it properly and use it outdoors)

I poured the used solution, through a cloth filter, into another bucket, so I could look at the bits. They were definitely bullet residue and may have been packed in tight against the rifling.

After this procedure, the bore was flushed with lots of water and given a coat of mast grease (incredible stuff that works, but needs to be cleaned out before shooting continues)

After a quick wipeout, the bore looked like it was new, with the naked eye and a small light.

I shot the rifle, off the bench, to see how well it would shoot.

The first shot was a flyer and my grandson was visibly unimpressed and maybe worried that I had buggered something up. After three shots, it all came together and that little clone, put the rest of the magazine into a neat little group, just over an inch in diameter, without any difficulty. Not to bad for 70 year old eyes and iron sights.

This is a bit off topic but still similar. Mc CZ452, chambered in 22rfmag definitely likes to be cleaned at least every 50 rounds or so and likes at least one fouling shot.
 
I run a patch or two that be moistened with Jet Lube 12/34 through my barrels after every session before they go back into storage till the next use. Never an issue.

I do something similar but only if I've got a low round count. If I've shot a box or more from my rifle, it gets cleaned. Only takes a couple of minutes as the cleaning vice has a permanent position in my shop, with all of the cleaning tools and compounds readily at hand. Not so easy if you're in an apartment or have limited space.
 
If you shoot competitively, your opponents should be pleased if you rarely, if ever, clean your bore.;)
I suspect that would be true in competition requiring “benchrest” level consistency. However, most of us do not have rigs nor the skill set to notice when things are going south. I’d be interested to hear of actual test results regarding cleaning intervals, especially comparing wax and “petroleum” based bullet lubes. It stands to reason that a clean chamber would outperform the dirty, and any carbon buildup would likely not enhance “accuracy”.
 
For my 10/22, I will swab the bore every practise day (150 to 300rds).... clean the action throughout the day with a rag. Tear apart every session or two or three.

Pay attention to the chamber anytime I get a 'lasy' rd.

Let the rifle and target tell you what it needs. I find SK and Lapua need cleaning more often vs CCI, Fed, Win bulk HV ammo... but the SK/Lapua shoot miles better at distance.

YMMV

Jerry
 
Look for crud build up at the throat and chamber... that is the signal for me

2nd would be problems with function.

When I shoot with SK/Lapua, it gets dirty pretty quickly. Just burnt up a bunch of Fed and Win HV... almost no fouling by comparison. Off season will be more HV ammo so it will be fun to see how fouling goes with longer and longer rd count.

If you are accuracy testing, watch the temps.... this can have a dramatic affect as you drop under 10C. Single digits, test biathlon ammo... and faster HV ammo.

Jerry
 
"Let the rifle and target tell you what it needs." Its talking, but I don't understand.

Is it reasonable to scrub the barrel after 300 rounds?


If it helps at all, I usually do it well before that. It may not be necessary but my rifles give very consistent accuracy, dependably. If I miss, or the group opens up, it's my fault.

I would be even fussier with a semi auto that's getting shot enough to raise barrel temps to an uncomfortable to hold temp.

Copper plated bullets will leave fouling in your bore, no matter how slow you're pushing them.

Just IMHO of course
 
I put 800 rounds on my S&W Model 41 pistol without cleaning just to see if it would malfunction, it didn't.

This is with standard velocity CCI, if high velocity is used seems to be ~150-200 rounds the case will not extract in a reliable fashion.

Could be a combination of tight chamber dimensions and waxy crud built up around ejector on the bolt face.
 
I put 800 rounds on my S&W Model 41 pistol without cleaning just to see if it would malfunction, it didn't.

This is with standard velocity CCI, if high velocity is used seems to be ~150-200 rounds the case will not extract in a reliable fashion.

Could be a combination of tight chamber dimensions and waxy crud built up around ejector on the bolt face.

Function and accuracy are the same but different
 
You don't wait for your car to stop running before changing the oil, so why would waiting for a malfunction tell you when to clean? I mean, sure it could confirm you've gone too far, but it shouldn't be measurement used on when to clean.

Do you know what they call the folks that clean your floors in commercial settings? Maintenance. If you didn't sweep up the sand and grime, those hundreds of little feet would grind the tile or whatever down, like the action of sand paper. Keeping the floor shiny is more than merely looks. It maintains the life of the floor.

Now imagine the grime left by a ammunition rubbing within metal components, some of them with pressure and speed.

Clean as often as you want. Some do it after every range trip. I like to take care of things between every 100 to 500 rounds, but I'll also clean up a firearm that I won't be using for awhile, say between hunting seasons.
 
I used to clean once a year whether my guns needed it or not. Lately though, I've found that cleaning every 100 - 150 rounds gives me much tighter groups, especially in my Ruger 1022. The other thing I've noticed is that the more I pay for the ammo, the better my groups get. Just my $0.02....
 
Gee, thanks. Two opposite opinions.

Back in the day when I competed with a 22, I think I cleaned once a year.

But the BR50 guys should by now have got better info on cleaning.

Just my personnel opinion but Id take a quick gander whose names are on the 1/2" club or 1/4" club and see what they re suggest. I already know the answer A CLEAN GUN IS AN ACCURATE AND HAPPY GUN
 
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