Shooting without Sights

Sounds like a very irresponsible and unnecessary way to shoot.

Rifles have sighting systems, a plethora of which are available for any purpose. Why would anyone shoot without sights?

You are responsible for every round that comes out of that rifle. You must know where you are aiming, what the backstop is, and what's in front and behind your target.

I hate to sound like a fudd, but there's zero reason to shoot a rifle without any sort of sights, whether it be irons or full blown optics.
 
Instinctive shooting aka point&shoot was tought at some point.

On a rifle, it consisted of having your support hand index finger running along the handguard and you would "point" at the target with the index, pointing your barrel "kinda" in the general direction to make someone sh!t his pants.

Thank god this retarded stuff was flushed down the drain when Tactical Shooting made an appearance and proved that it is quicker and more accurate to actually aim thru optics/sights than pointing&shooting like a poppy farmer downtown Panjway :p


Please people, use some kind of sight system.



Notes: i have function tested rifle without sights before just to check if it worked properly while "aiming" at a dirt pile 10 feet in front of me
 
KThomas, thank you for your input mate. I would like to continue to apply gun safety while improving my instinctual use of the mount and so on.

Say for example when using a shotgun it's a far more instinctive process and I would hope to apply the same to the rifles while being safe.
 
I realize this is an older thread but it seemed as if no one was prepared to actually give any advice to the original question.

Shooting a rifle without sights was a me technique for shooting a rifle that was a skill that was commercially introduced by Daisy and then adopted for training purposes by the US military. I'm am pretty sure it was called "Quick Skill" by Daisy an a little more onerous "Quick Kill" by the military. I expect with that as a starting point you should be able to find addition info on the process.

My recollection ( many decades old so it maybe questionable ) it was found that "new shooters" were more able to hit "close range" ( think in terms of feet ) targets much quicker than the using the more difficult to learn ( and more accurate ) fundamentals of sight alignment. If I am not mistaken ( reference the decades old ) Jeff Cooper utilized a similar technique in part of his training.

Regards to all,
Dan
 
So this last year I have been practicing this. With a pistol mind you.. Premise that I used is I can point my finger at something without sights or even looking down it why not a gun.
I started with a colt SAA replica bb gun after many many hours of shooting at a coke can at 20' I could reliably hit that can from the waist or at shoulder height without looking down the barrel.or using the sights what so ever. I point it just like a finger. I then stepped up to a 22 SAA and have had the same results. Not saying I never miss but I hot more than miss for sure. No reason a guy couldn't do the same with a rifle if you put in the time
 
WW2 Snipers would ditch the scope for iron sights as it was a lower profile (target) for the enemy to fire at, it also means the rifle was lighter to carry and maneuver in tight places while moving prone, you have an even quicker quarry acquisition with iron sights than you do with optics, anyone ever tried both eyes open when iron sighting a rifle in comparison to your dominant eye looking through a scope?
 
DT741 said:
Instinctive shooting aka point&shoot was tought at some point.

On a rifle, it consisted of having your support hand index finger running along the handguard and you would "point" at the target with the index, pointing your barrel "kinda" in the general direction to make someone sh!t his pants.
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It was taught with the C1 smg for night shooting, I don't remember it being taught for use with the FN.
 
The concept is called "quick kill" shooting without sights
It works very well and the US Military used to teach it
There were a couple of people who were the best at teaching it
I learned from "Lucky McDaniel " in Atlanta Georgia he was supposed to be the best at the time
 
recce said:
It was taught with the C1 smg for night shooting, I don't remember it being taught for use with the FN.
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Believe it or not I had it thought to me in 2003 on the C7. Never heard about it past 2005 from a WO who believed he could kill someone with a credit card and his bare hands (he couldn’t...)


There is also the illusion that you don’t use your sight due to the proximity of the target
 
DT741 said:
Believe it or not I had it thought to me in 2003 on the C7. Never heard about it past 2005 from a WO who believed he could kill someone with a credit card and his bare hands (he couldn’t...)


There is also the illusion that you don’t use your sight due to the proximity of the target
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I never saw it taught that late. My wife kills me with credit cards, lol.
 
In one of his books, or perhaps a magazine article that he wrote, Dr. Don Heath (Ganyana) talked about practicing with his rifle (so, either the 7x57 or 9.3x62) with the rear sight removed - just his cheek on the stock and the front sight - was not a "hunting" strategy - was for a defensive skill that he wanted to have to hit things at 50 yards (or perhaps it was 30 yards) when a bad day in the Africa bush was getting worse... If you read his writings, he had considerable experience in the bush with both two legged and four legged things trying to take a piece off him. He passed away a few years ago, working as a technical director for Norma, in Sweden, I believe.
 
recce said:
I never saw it taught that late. My wife kills me with credit cards, lol.
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OK, not a credit card, but...
"Get Tough" section 22....
NO. 22-THE MATCH-BOX ATTACK
You are sitting down, say, in a railway coach. Your opponent, who is on your left, sticks a gun in your ribs, holding it in his right hand.

1. Take a match-box and hold it as in Fig. 74, the top of the box being slightly below the finger and thumb.

​2. Keeping the upper part of the right arm close to the right side of your body, with a circular upward motion of your right fist, turning your body from the hip, strike your opponent hard on the left side of his face, as near to the jawbone as possible (Fig. 75); parry the gun away from your body with your left forearm.
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Note. - The odds of knocking your opponent unconscious by this method are at least two to one. The fact that this can be accomplished with a match-box is not well-known, and for this reason is not likely to raise your opponent's suspicion of your movements. Naturally, all movements, from the start of the blow, must be carried out with the utmost speed.
 
I spent many hours a day using a 1911 air pistol double tap various targets from 10 yards to 30 yards, standing kneeling, prone, kneel, reload stand, repeat. with a rifle on the ground in single shot, 30 yard target front role pick up rife aim and shoot, you must hit bullseye or you do 50 press ups, no sights were used, you dont have time to think about timing your shots with sights, where you look is where you shoot, the ranges that offer blue on blue pop up targets gives you that extra edge in "do I shoot or not" that would be 50 sit ups if you do
 
Juster said:
The British Army used to teach shooting in the dark without using the irons. A sort of prone isosceles stance with a rifle. The RCMP are moving towards this apparently.
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That makes sense. As an organization they most certainly have been shooting in the dark.
 
never did a lot of center fire rifle, but years ago I was fairly good hip shooting clays with 1911 45acp and colt 38special
Also chopped up old 2x4's into squares, they would stand up easy, and good for a few round before they blew apart.
 
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