One year alone in the remote wilderness...

"Eventually!"

When Gatehouse said if you injured your leg you just wait and a moose will walk by you, I'm sure glad he added the word, "eventually."
Unless there are a whale of a lot more moose now, than there were before the logging roads and logging covered so much of the north, your wait time may be measured in years! There are (were) large areas of northern BC with very few moose in them. In the Atlin, area of the far north in BC, I have seen as many as six big bulls in only hours, while on the ground hunting caribou. But in vast areas, say west of Fort Ware, all those miles of green, probably mature, forest, had very few moose in them. In the winter time, when it is so easy to see moose from the air, it was common to fly a hundred miles, at an altitude where moose are easily seen, and not see a single moose!
Moose will go quite long distances to get to their winter ranges. I have flown biologists on official moose counts, where we purposely flew over their winter ranges to count them, and on the average, we counted just about 100 moose, for each hour flown. Actually, they were thicker than that over their wintering areas, because I counted air time from takeoff to landing. So, on a trip time of 3 hours we would count about 290 something moose, on average. Just think of all those areas of bush with no moose in them, because they were congrugated on their chosen wintering grounds.
All the old timers in the bush couldn't have been wrong, and they all agreed on the same thing; there are far more squirrels, grouse, ptarmigan and rabbits in the bush than there are moose and caribou.
 
With only one rifle to choose from it would definetly be a .22 LR.

I have spent ( and many other trappers far more experienced than I)months on end in the bush and the 22 everything , including dispatching bears.
What many don't realize is that the rifles is only a small part of the survival equation, and stuff like a good knife, axe,ngth of rope , chord, fire making tools, etcd, are far more important than a big rifle.
Far more energy and time is spent keeping warm and gathering stuff to live than hunting big game like moose, deer and bears.
.22 ammo is small so it doesn't take up a lot of space, and the guns are for the most part light and accurate enough to shoot stuff in the eye or ear.
Iif I ever have the opputunity to go again I will ( again!) pick the 22 as my main firearm.
Cat

Makes a lot of sense to me but please tell me why you would not consider a .17HMR, with it's greater range and energy, instead. I'm just curious.
 
Makes a lot of sense to me but please tell me why you would not consider a .17HMR, with it's greater range and energy, instead. I'm just curious.

Okay I will answer this to you, a few posts back I referred to the use of an old English Rook Rifle rechambered to 38 special, and used low powered 148 grain hollow base wadcutters.
This allowed me to dispatch several bush bunnies in Saskatchewan. The light report of the rifle did not alarm the majority of the rabbits within the close vicinity. Allowing me to harvest 5 bunnies, in a short time frame.

So perhaps a small game combination gun, with its efficient choice of 22 LR, long or shorts, could give someone a nice quieter advantage in this regard.

Saying that, in the Savage 24, with either 12 or 20 gauge, option of slugs/shotshell, and maybe a 30-30 sub-calbre insert,for that shotgun barrel, would give one person alone, more options for game hunting. A Drilling would be even better, but they are generally $$$ costly...and heavier.

Dont get me wrong, we are close to agreeing on this matter, and perhaps your choice is the better option. Looking from a different perspective, we are really splitting hairs here.
 
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But if you are a reasonably skilled handloader and shooter, you can make reduced loads, with cheap bullets and hit grouse int he head at 25-40 yards.:)

I believe it, and I have a few grouse loads for the .303 I have been meaning to make...ie a 71grain .32 ACP bullet over 8 - 10 grains of unique.

Now I have to figure out a grouse load for the 300 winmag. :D

Not that I have seen any grouse this season. :(
 
Like I said in a previous post if I could take only one gun it'd be a combo gun. If I could choose only one cartridge and it was stickily for survival it'd be a 12 gauge and I'd be taking along mostly 7 1/2 shot and some slugs. I wouldn't use a rimfire in case game was hard to come by in that area and I couldn't afford to have the food I needed for survival escape. Small game is much easier to come by so I'd be shooting that entirely or almost so. Unlike most people I do have a lot of knowledge on how to make my own tools and weapons using natural sources, and I know how to find wild edible food sources.
 
When Gatehouse said if you injured your leg you just wait and a moose will walk by you, I'm sure glad he added the word, "eventually."

Last year, we spent 12 days in northern BC, and on at least 6 of those days, I could have shot "something"- be it moose, elk, or caribou. On a trip 3 years ago, we were in the bush just 5 days and could have killed a couple of moose and caribou.

I didn't shoot, since we were hunting, not surviving, and the animals weren't "trophy", but in a wilderness adventure we are talking about , a guy wouldn't be so choosy.:)

All the old timers in the bush couldn't have been wrong, and they all agreed on the same thing; there are far more squirrels, grouse, ptarmigan and rabbits in the bush than there are moose and caribou
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You would think that, and I guess I see a few squill every time I am in the bush, but I also see a few does, and don't always see grouse, and rarely see rabbits. Besides, you woudl have your reduced loads, and of course your snare wire.:D

There sure isn't much meat on the little squill around here...A guy coudl starve to death collecting enough to make a meal out of them.:p
 
I have spent ( and many other trappers far more experienced than I)months on end in the bush and the 22 everything , including dispatching bears.
What many don't realize is that the rifles is only a small part of the survival equation, and stuff like a good knife, axe,ngth of rope , chord, fire making tools, etcd, are far more important than a big rifle.

sure, but the question was 'what gun would you take?'

we should start another thread asking if you had to spend a year in the bush and could only take 50lbs of gear (including rifle and ammo and the pack itself), what would you take?
 
sure, but the question was 'what gun would you take?'

we should start another thread asking if you had to spend a year in the bush and could only take 50lbs of gear (including rifle and ammo and the pack itself), what would you take?

I think that would be very interesting but 50lbs might be a little light; lets go 75lbs. I think it's safe to assume the first thing most of us would do is find a suitable base camp and leave much of our gear there while going gathering food, fishing and/or hunting.
 
Makes a lot of sense to me but please tell me why you would not consider a .17HMR, with it's greater range and energy, instead. I'm just curious.
Well, the .17 is a heckuva lot faster for one.
When shooting squirells, muskrat, birds, etc.
The 22 will do a lot less damage.
The ranges are typically very close, the the .17 would be of no advantage.
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sure, but the question was 'what gun would you take?'

we should start another thread asking if you had to spend a year in the bush and could only take 50lbs of gear (including rifle and ammo and the pack itself), what would you take?
I tbought I anwsered it with the .22 long rifle.
Maybe you misunderstood me?:redface:
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#### Proenneke has been there and done that.
http://www.dickproenneke.com/DickProenneke.html

I don't remember what gun he had with him. I'll have to borrow the video from the library again. Great story.

He had a sporterized Springfield .30-06, and we see him at least once with some sort of pistol in a shoulder rig.

Just watched the DVD again the other night. One of my all-time faves.
 
I would take a Ruger 10-22 with a butler creek folding stock and a little Bushnell 2-7 BDC .22 scope( no longer made). With a couple of 30 shot mags for bear problems and a few factory 10 rd mags for general use.
 
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