PRS Fundamentals

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I've started this thread to address some of the mistakes I see new people making at PRS-type matches at every match I go to.

1) Turn the Magnification Down!

If that buddy who tells you that he doesn't need FFP because he always shoots on max power goes to a match, he's going to find out very quickly that doesn't work very well when your target isn't always in a lane directly in front of you.

In most PRS matches, there are going to be stages where the targets are set up at different distances in a pretty large arc of fire. And, depending on the range, there may be other targets for other stages dispersed in the same area your targets are in. Having the magnification set too high usually results in people being unable to find targets and timing out. Most targets inside of 600 yards can be engaged at 10-12x magnification. Put your scope on low power to find targets, then zoom in once you've found them if you feel you need more magnification to engage them. This is what SwitchView throw levers are made for. But, it's also something you need to practice so that zooming in and zooming out is part of your routine and becomes automatic and something you don't have to consciously think about.


2) Learn to Hold Over/Under

Some stage are set up so that you have to hold your dope instead of dialing it. Many don't list this as a requirement. It's up to the shooter to judge the best way to shoot the stage.

Hold overs, hold unders, mover leads and wind holds are the reason FFP dominates PRS style matches. With FFP, your reticle and your turrets can be used interchangeably in conjunction with one another at ANY magnification.

Lets look at an example. Let's say you have 3 targets and the dope for them is as follows:

T1: 1.1 mils
T2: 3.7 mils
T3: 6.2 mils

These are the ways you can use your scope to engage the targets:

i) Dial for each targets

ii) Leave the scope elevation at 0 and use the following holds on the reticle:
T1: 1.1 mils
T2: 3.7 mils
T3: 6.2 mils

iii) Dial 1.1 mils elevation and use the following holds on the reticle:
T1: 0.0 mils
T2: 2.6 mils
T3: 5.1 mils

iv) Dial 3.7 mils elevation and use the following holds on the reticle:
T1: -2.6 mils (hold under)
T2: 0.0 mils
T3: 2.5 mils

v) Dial 6.2 mils elevation and use the following holds on the reticle:
T1: -5.1 mils (hold under)
T2: -2.5 mils (hold under)
T3: 0.0 mils

I think that i) and ii) are kind of intuitive. iii) just keeps things closer to the center of the reticle, which is helpful if you don't have an xmas tree type reticle since it keeps things closer to your horizontal cross hair so that you can reference the has marks more accurately. People will do iv) for the same reason, it and v) are also done in cases where you have a target at those distances that you want you use the center of the reticle for or want to reference the horizontal crosshair on. Examples would be a very small target or a mover. If you ever get a chance to shoot at the K&M Precision Rifle Training facility or at CORE, they will often have a stage where you need to engage a mover at the back of the range a certain number or times, then com back and shoot a few targets from near to you back to the mover before engaging it again. For that one, you will want to use v).


3) Take Stuff Off The Rifle That You Don't Need

If you don't need to use the bipod on a stage with a barricade, take it off the gun. Especially if it's a fast stage that required a lot of different positions. The bipod will likely get in the way of your position transitions and in many cases will hamper building stable positions. Same holds true of other accessories.


4) Make Sure the Rifle is Supported/Stable

You can't make precision shots if the crosshair is going all over the place. The rifle needs to be stable. On a wobbly barricade, or any barricade, the trick is setting the rifle up to be stable and NOT muscling it. This is generally accomplished in one of two ways:

i) Set the rifle on the barricade on it's balancing point (at the trail). This is where the Game Changer bag or Solo Sac come in handy. Learn to drive the rifle only using light pressure with your shoulder. Let it sit naturally. If the barricade is stable, you can apply some downward pressure on the rifle to lock it against the barricade through the bag. Let the bag conform to the shape it needs to so that your crosshairs are on the target.

ii) Put the fore end of the rifle on the barricade and support a part of the rifle further back. Support the rear with something: a pillow bag, a tripod leg, your backpack, etc....

The common mistake I see is people putting the end of the rifle on the barricade, or resting on their folded up bipod and putting the buttstock against their shoulder with nothing under it supporting it. That's a recipe for wobble!

4) Shoot at the speed you practice at regardless of stage time

Don't worry about making the stage time. Speed comes with practice. Shoot at the pace you're capable of making good hits at. Getting half the points making solid shots is better than zeroing the stage because you rushed, you didn't take the time to build solid positions, you didn't take the time to adjust things to better see your misses, or you didn't take the time to zoom out when you couldn't find the targets. Some stages are set up to test speed and are designed to separate the top shooters from each other based on ability to quickly build positions. This means the times are sometimes intentionally set so that no one can finish the stage. Remember that PRS points are based on percentage of the top shooters score. If the best score for a stage is 8/10 or 7/10, the stage is effectively out of 8 or 7 instead of 10.



More to come
 
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Yup. What you said brother.
If I didn't need my sling, I took it off which was 90% of the match.
I only used it to attach my support bag really.
Watched the pro's and removed my bipod allot as well.
Never exceeded 18 power all weekend which helped finding targets.
Purchased a scope in MIL's with an xmas tree reticule in it.
Did it help?
Went from 98th last year to 76th this year.
So ya!!!!!!!!!
SRSA311
 
5) Recite the course of fire back to the RSO
When it is your turn to shoot, and the RSO asks you "do you understand the course of fire?", take 10 seconds to quickly describe it to him. For example "2 rounds at each target, left to right, from the three positions". Super quick and makes sure you know exactly what to do. Dropping points from shooting the wrong target is really annoying and avoidable.
 
Thank you for the helpful tips.
I was differently spending way too much time zooming in and out.
Looking forward to reading more !
 
Dry fire, dry fire, dry fire. Dry fire on a barricade, tank trap, roof top, tripod. If you don't have one, make one. Be honest with your dry fire. When you are at a match and you do something you can't do, then go home and practice until you can do it. Start with small steps. ie figure out your position that works on the problem you are trying to solve. Dry fire in that position until it is second nature. Then add it to a mock stage set up. Learn to build that position that works and tear down with easy and efficiency. Next time you do that position in a match it will be second nature. Everytime you are a match, figure out what you are going to work on next.
 
Understand where the wind is blowing and the wind speed. Won't help if your crosshair is at the target and you keep shooting, it missed.
It also "may" help if you are using the binocular/spotting scope to watch other shooter shoot where the bullet/swirl went.
 
Looking to get into PRS this year what's a good starter gear list?

I'm guessing obvious are:
1- reliable rifle
2- optic zeroed to said rifle
3- ammo that is consistent with 1 + 2

bags? amount of ammo? slings? kestrels? dope cards or do people use apps?

Open mind and humility would be the first true step I guess.


Thanks
 
Looking to get into PRS this year what's a good starter gear list?

I'm guessing obvious are:
1- reliable rifle
2- optic zeroed to said rifle
3- ammo that is consistent with 1 + 2

bags? amount of ammo? slings? kestrels? dope cards or do people use apps?

Open mind and humility would be the first true step I guess.


Thanks

Your last sentence is the most important one. Having an open mind, and don't get discouraged by a low finish on the score board. Just showing up and shooting one is the biggest hurdle to overcome - a lot of people procrastinate for years, some ultimately never shooting one, because they feel they are never ready. Show up and shoot one, go in with an open mind and most importantly, have fun with it. No matter how long you wait and how much you prepare, you will never truly feel ready.

This is what my list would be for gear to have for a first match:

1. Reliable mag fed rifle that is capable of ~1/2-3/4 MOA or better
2. Scope zeroed at 100 yards. Would recommend an FFP scope with a reticle you are comfortable with, a christmas tree type reticle like the SKMR3 is great for dialing and holding.
3. Have two or more mags, at least 10 rounders. +2 round extenders are nice to have, but not necessary
4. A rear bag you are comfortable with, plus a barricade bag such as the Wiebad Fortune Cookie
5. Good, validated DOPE for your rifle and load - Kestrel w/AB (or other ballistic solver), hard data, or lastly an app on your phone - I wouldn't recommend the last one, cellphones fail and batteries die, they are just not a robust system. But if it's all you have, definitely do not let that hold you back from shooting.
6. Good ammo that reliably works in your system. Usually a 2 day match requires around ~200 rounds
7. Backpack to carry all your gear
8. Hydration and snacks
7. Appropriate apparel and gear for the weather you will be shooting in (rain gear, sunscreen, hat, etc)

That should get you started. As you shoot more matches, your needs and wants and thus gear will evolve with you. Start with the above, shoot some matches and learn what works and what doesn't work before spending more money on gear.

Happy shooting!
 
Start with the above, shoot some matches and learn what works and what doesn't work before spending more money on gear.

That is an awesome list, the only thing I would change if its your first time shooting a match just come out. There will be plenty of guys willing to lend you bags and what not to test out, just make sure your dope is on and a rifle that is reliable.
 
So if you were looking at a rifle for this game, what's good? Is 6.5 CM in a bolt what folks use? Looking at chassis stocks vs a traditional with movable comb and thinking the chassis has far more ways to snag on stuff; is that a go-faster bit you don't need or do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages?
 
So if you were looking at a rifle for this game, what's good? Is 6.5 CM in a bolt what folks use? Looking at chassis stocks vs a traditional with movable comb and thinking the chassis has far more ways to snag on stuff; is that a go-faster bit you don't need or do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages?

Nothing wrong with a 6.5 creedmoor. Lots of people shoot 6mm's - 6 creedmoor, 6 XC, 6 GT, 6Dasher/BRA/BRX, etc. Some do centerfire .22's, but can't say they are as popular.

There's pro's and cons to any cartridge, and that's a whole discussion in itself.

Stock vs chassis is personal preference. I've come to prefer chassis', they are a bit more modular, and can grow with you as you find out what your needs and desires are for a gun as you shoot more. Chassis' such as KRG, MDT and JAE have lots of accessories available for them, so you can tweak your chassis and you see fit. A fiberglass stock is much more difficult to reconfigure, and generally requires gunsmith work, or at least someone with the tools and skillset to perform the work.

The most important part about a stock or chassis is how it fits you the shooter. Everyone is built differently, and the stock is the foundation that connects the shooter with the rifle, so fit is important. It's pretty personal and subjective. My favorite chassis happens to be the JAE-700. For a budget chassis, the KRG Bravo is awesome. As far as snagging stuff - that hasn't really been an issue with PRS/NRL type shooting, but would probably be more of a consideration on a hunting rifle.

Hope this helps.
 
I read the thread, and want to say thank you guys for all the info gleaned.
I'm just beginning to learn how to shoot my first bolt action rifle.

Started out shooting 147gr factory "cheap loads", first times out, with the 308 95% dialed in, I was hitting terrible groups. I'm talking 8"x8" square , sprayed all over(at 100m). This was with a 3-9x vortex SFP scope.
My cousin laughed at me. He was litterally astonished how bad I was shooting!

Since working on focus, breathing, concentration, clean trigger break, I am not able to consistently hit 3" groups at 100yds , with 147gr factory brass ammo. (coming from a 16" 1in10 twist barrel)...
I am ringing the 4" gong at 100m 9/10 or better, if I do my part, and concentrate.

What I'm getting at, is that I appreciate CGN, and you guys on here. There is always great people I meet, and great info to be learned.

I'm going to try seeing what the rifle is capable of (with shooting bags, not off a "carpet'ed 2by4 " ......) I do look forward to reloading .308 winchester, after I shoot about 200 or so , and build up a supply of (from my rifle) brass.

Practice Practice Practice!!!!!!
 
I read the thread, and want to say thank you guys for all the info gleaned.
I'm just beginning to learn how to shoot my first bolt action rifle.

Started out shooting 147gr factory "cheap loads", first times out, with the 308 95% dialed in, I was hitting terrible groups. I'm talking 8"x8" square , sprayed all over(at 100m). This was with a 3-9x vortex SFP scope.
My cousin laughed at me. He was litterally astonished how bad I was shooting!

Since working on focus, breathing, concentration, clean trigger break, I am not able to consistently hit 3" groups at 100yds , with 147gr factory brass ammo. (coming from a 16" 1in10 twist barrel)...
I am ringing the 4" gong at 100m 9/10 or better, if I do my part, and concentrate.

What I'm getting at, is that I appreciate CGN, and you guys on here. There is always great people I meet, and great info to be learned.

I'm going to try seeing what the rifle is capable of (with shooting bags, not off a "carpet'ed 2by4 " ......) I do look forward to reloading .308 winchester, after I shoot about 200 or so , and build up a supply of (from my rifle) brass.

Practice Practice Practice!!!!!!
sounds lile you have some problem with the rifle also, 16inch barrel for a 308 is a bit short to me. Which rifle is this?
 
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