i would get a sd9ve... 419$ prarie gun traders. some will complain about the trigger? I have 4500 plus rds out of mine. if you put the time in at the range and learn to shoot it, get familiar with it. as far as norinco china can keep them until they learn to play nicer, i avoid made in china when possible. to each his own!!!
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I never said it was "free". I was responding to the comment that we would live longer with Republicans and Conservatives. They would never have brought in public healthcare. Do you think any Republicans in the US give a crap about providing healthcare to their citizens? Public healthcare was a product of the left and we all enjoy it's benefits. How many people go bankrupt in the US dealing with severe illnesses that you get treated for simply by paying your taxes? Will you think you over paid when you need cancer treatment or major surgery etc that ends up costing our neighbours to the south hundreds of thousands of dollars they need to find or they die? Or they lose everything in bankruptcy just to stay alive?
Frankly, this is the aspect of the firearms community I can't stand. The ideology and polarized politics. Left, right, blah blah blah. Both sides have their good ideas and bad ideas and both sides have done a crap job of governing. if you want to criticize or discuss specific issue or policies I'm all for that, but the whole liberals evil, conservatives good thing is tiresome and ignorant.
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I have an NZ85 and I'd be surprised if CZ85 compatible solid pins didn't fit as replacements. I know the front sight pin does as I replaced the roll pin with a solid one when I put a new sight on mine. So if one breaks just upgrade it upon replacement.
Read the quote below and tell me where you DID NOT say free? let me help you by highlighting it for you. And no, our healthcare is not cheap either. You may pay little or nothing in premiums but that doesn't mean healthcare is cheap.
Your parroted rant about US healthcare is old and tiring. Our healthcare system does not work and is grossly in debt. The level of service we receive is not inline with the amount of money(taxes) we pay to receive it. The vast majority of Americans have healthcare coverage. And the poor(and often stupid who don't prioritize their health over fast food and luxuries) also receive healthcare, it's called medicaid. Yes, without medical benefits you may not get a knee replaced, a brace, or the best cancer treatment. You will however received a ride to the hospital and receive immediate medical care, just ask a scumbag who get's shot on the street. Not one was left to die because they failed to produce a benefits card.
It is free in the sense that you don't pay extra for most care beyond your taxes. And our drug costs are controlled and much lower than in the US. The system works pretty well considering it is underfunded and under staffed. There are long waits for some elective procedures but when my mother had cancer (twice) whe was attended to quickly and well and is still alive. Her hip replacement and ensuing difficulties afterwards were also covered including a whole pile of rehab etc. And just wow, the poor are also stupid? Many can't afford health insurance because they are forced to work a couple minimum wage jobs that aren't even a living wage. Forget being able to make out of pocket expenses. Many in Canada barely make a living wage too but their health care is subsidized by those that do make much more. I don't mind paying taxes to help take care of others in my community. It's called being a caring and decent society.
Now if you have cancer in the US you are looking at out of pocket and co-pay costs. The average patient pays between $6,000 and $10,000 per year out of pocket when premiums, deductibles, co-pays, and co-insurance were factored in. If a patient needs out-of-network care or a treatment that’s not covered by their insurance plan, the costs only get worse. High co-insurance, deductibles, occasional out-of-network care, and uncovered treatments add up, even for those with good health inmsurance. That doesn't even include some of the drug costs. Newly approved drugs can cost up to $10,000 per month, and patients are expected to pay 20-30% of these costs. That means a year’s worth of these new drugs could cost $24,000 to $36,000 out of pocket
Here's an example of what can happen with a heart attack:
"Drew Calver, 44, of Austin, Texas, had a heart attack last year, resulting in a four-day emergency hospital stay, according to a report from Kaiser Health News. Despite having health-care coverage, he wound up with the six-figure bill — thanks to a practice known as “balance billing.” In balance billing, medical providers that are out of network are unable to reach an agreement with the insurer on a reasonable price for service. In turn, the patient ends up on the hook for the remainder.
And while true that if you are brought into a hospital with life threatening injurues they are legally bound to treat you. But what often happens is they will do the minimum to stabilize you until you can be transferred to a cheaper, charity funded hospital where the level of care you recieve is often lower. Often they will send your bill to collections where you are then harrassed for years or forced to declare bankruptcy. It's not just scumbags shot on the street but could be someone hit by a car or suffering some other accident or having a stroke or heart attack etc. Your empathy for your fellow man is amazing.
I've been on the fence about the nz85b for a while now. I also noticed marstar has them in stock. Almost bought one during black friday. After I read this post...I think I'll pull the trigger if they have a boxing day sale... Unless someone wants to sell me theirs? I'll give my money to you then and not China. Then I'll sleep better knowing I did my part to avoid supporting China. Instead I'll just work and pay taxes and have someone else decide how to spend my money.
I love chinese food. Or is it canadian food made by canadian people from China? China China China
Anyway, there are people on here saying you can buy a cz sp01 for 500? Ha... I've been looking and I haven't seen one. I've never bought a brand new firearm. I could get the nz85b on sale from marstar shipped to my door for $425. That's a good price for a new pistol these days.
No Effing way you are getting mine!!!
I just put a reduced compression hammer spring in, and the trigger pull... I can't believe the difference!! Need to wait till after lock down to see if it will detonate S & B primers. I also put in a 10 lb recoil spring as I load light. for PPC.
It's official. I'm not on the fence. I'll buy one next sale. I love the idea of an all steel hammer firearm that I can swap out parts from the well known cz. I've had polymer guns. And still have a walther ppq which I love. But for a fraction of the cost, that's more to spend on ammo.
S&B primers are fine . I've used them . from what I have heard Federal primers are supposed to be the most sensitive .
A 13 lbs mainspring in a CZ75 design should detonate S&B primers with 99.7% reliability.
Shadowline has been 100% reliable, Shadow 1 and Shadow 2 may throw 1-4 light primer strikes per 1000.
Federal 100%
Winchester Match 100% so far (less than 1000 fired)
Shadowline has been 100% reliable, Shadow 1 and Shadow 2 may throw 1-4 light primer strikes per 1000.
Federal 100%
Winchester Match 100% so far (less than 1000 fired)
Meroh, 5.45 and other knowledgeable CGNrs
Where did you guys get your springs for the NZ replacementand for what model / modif ?)
my NZ is stock minus the CZ rubber grips. No complaints. SA is awesome only after 200 rounds. DA still a lot to be desired.....
Where did you guys get your springs for the NZ replacementand for what model / modif ?)
my NZ is stock minus the CZ rubber grips. No complaints. SA is awesome only after 200 rounds. DA still a lot to be desired.....
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Perhaps all the good info for the NZ can be added here :
http://https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1855273-Norinco-NZ-85-B-the-CGN-wiki-thread
I am sure a lot of CGNers would greatly appreciate it. I certainly would.
Thanks and Happy holidays to all.
http://https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1855273-Norinco-NZ-85-B-the-CGN-wiki-thread
I am sure a lot of CGNers would greatly appreciate it. I certainly would.
Thanks and Happy holidays to all.
China has the knowledge, machinery and know how to make anything and better yet , they can make it top quality the problem is they can also make it cheaper so blame the manufacturer and not China itself . The manufacturer chooses the quality China will produce the item in , its not chinas fault everyone is cheap and wants to make lots of money .
That said , I don’t advocate for products being made there it is just an FYI of their capabilities
