Cavalry Carbine

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I have an 1884 Martini Henry IC1 Cavalry Carbine, chambered in .303 British and I was trying to find information on the history of the rifle. Can anyone identify the unit markings and history? Also thinking of posting it for sale, any idea of value there doesn't seem to be any around.

Thanks in advance.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/rGBJRcGh1KvZHztZ6
 
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Looks to be a Martini Metford rifle that has had the stock cut back.

Not too familiar with any of those stampings on the butt.

Value is tough to say. Does it function correctly? What is bore condition etc
 
Looks to be a Martini Metford rifle that has had the stock cut back.

Not too familiar with any of those stampings on the butt.

Value is tough to say. Does it function correctly? What is bore condition etc

The rifle operates normally, but the bore is rough but I think it is still shootable with 303. The rifle is marked IC1, which is a Martini Henry IC1 calvary carbine, I think barrel is correct, length is 21 inches, look here:

http://www.martinihenry.org/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=62

This rifle was made by RSAF Enfield in 1884 and later converted to .303, which makes it a Martini Metford conversion.
It must have a very interesting history!
 
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Hi Conquest. The .303 cartridge arrived 1888. .303 conversions started reasonably early 1890s. The body of your carbine was originally a Cavalry Carbine 1st class 1884. The marks on the left side are somewhat spurious. Most of the screws are buggered and the cocking indicator is in the wrong location. Therefore the action needs serious attention. Cut down of course and from what I see has no historic value. Get what you can for it as an antique and be happy. JOHN
 
Hi Conquest. The .303 cartridge arrived 1888. .303 conversions started reasonably early 1890s. The body of your carbine was originally a Cavalry Carbine 1st class 1884. The marks on the left side are somewhat spurious. Most of the screws are buggered and the cocking indicator is in the wrong location. Therefore the action needs serious attention. Cut down of course and from what I see has no historic value. Get what you can for it as an antique and be happy. JOHN

thanks, do you think it is a Martini Metford Cavalry Carbine MkI....link here:

http://www.martinihenry.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=61_62&product_id=65

here is a link to a video on the action, i think the action works perfectly?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YGZxuRsmNxHUVL2dA
 
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thanks, do you think it is a Martini Metford Cavalry Carbine MkI....link here:

http://www.martinihenry.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=61_62&product_id=65

here is a link to a video on the action, i think the action works perfectly?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YGZxuRsmNxHUVL2dA

The indicator is mounted one square to far to the right. It won't have any effect on function. Just doesn't look right for those of us used it tilting back or straight up.

Original fore ends are available for that rifle, as is the nose cap. Not cheap but IMHO, that rifle would be worth restoring, if the bore was decent, which it isn't.

As such, it's worth the sum of its parts.

If you're handy, No1 barrels have the same profile and same threads on the tenon. If you've got access to a lathe and mill, it's a pretty simple job to fit a No1 barrel to a large Mk IV Action.

The rear sight can be scavenged from your old barrel and the front site can be easily made up and mounted, usually with silver solder.

Still, the best value you will get out of that rifle, will be to use it as a donor for a sporting rifle or sell it as is.

As is, it's worth about $350, tops. If it hadn't been cut down, like so many were, $1000+

if you're at all interested in shooting that rifle and find that you like it, Tradex, a banner sponsor has new made Criterion barrels for the No1 Lee Enfield.

If I were going to rebarrel that as a sporter, I would mount a barrel with a .308 bore, and use a .308 expander die to size the necks of unaltered 303 Brit cases. Way more bullet options and easier to find.
 
It should be a good candidate for a re-barrel project, but not worth restoration. I agree with bearhunter's estimated value, but think it is on the high end. I keep going back to one of the photos. What is that trigger pivot pin? It looks like it might be a cotter pin.
 
The one thing that caught my eye was the image of the right side of the butt, looking towards the buttsocket. Notice how the wood has shrank away from the steel. Can't fake that kind of aging.

There are special interest collecting groups that will step through the Marks and Models of Martinis, helping make sense of the speckles. Be clear though, once you know what you have, any valuation is just a guess. As the others have posted already, deciding on how much of a restoration you want to do, is a matter of finding the right parts. Good luck!
 
It should be a good candidate for a re-barrel project, but not worth restoration. I agree with bearhunter's estimated value, but think it is on the high end. I keep going back to one of the photos. What is that trigger pivot pin? It looks like it might be a cotter pin.

You are right, it is a hand made trigger pin, the rifle still has rifling left but the bore is dark, when bearhunter says it has been cut down does he mean the fore end? This is a marked calvary rifle converted with a 303 rifled Metford calvary barrel so I think the barrel length is correct, it matches the specs of the Martini Metford calvary carbine. The fore end has been cut down but I think the barrel is correct?
 
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I have a similar one, but without any markings on either side of the receiver. It does have Birmingham proof marks on the barrel. Where there civilian versions of this made in .303? Shoots 150 grain .303 fine as well as .32acp with a chamber adaptor.
 
Yes, I meant the fore end.

That rifle has issues that are hard to overcome.

My price was on the high side, but you don't run across these gems every day. I'll bet that most of the people out there have no idea what a Martini of any mark looks like and have no idea how strong they are or how consistently accurate the design really is. That rear sight alone will set you back over $100, if you have to purchase one separately.

OP, anyone purchasing your rifle will offer you what it's worth to them. The wood has shrunk badly but that really isn't a huge issue. That rifle was ridden hard and put away wet.

Still, it's value is in the action mainly, barrel, sights, wood likely wouldn't be utilized in a custom build. The action, in the condition your pics portray would bring $250.

When a custom rifle is built on these actions, parts fitted and tuned properly, such as the trigger, which can be stoned and worked to let off as well as any high end custom trigger.

If you pick one up, chambered for the 303 Brit, be careful to check the bore, if it's an early conversion it will have a Metford style of rifling, which looks like it's worn out, with rounded bottoms and edges. The Enfield style rifling should have sharp edges and be a bit deeper. This was done when they transitioned form compressed Black Powder to Smokeless Cordite, which was a step up but still very hard on bores.

Martinis are the Rodney Dangerfields of single shot firearms when it comes to people recognizing their capabilities and advantages. They're difficult to mount a scope with good stability and as people such as myself age, scopes become necessary.

If you're really serious about refinishing it, barrel liners are available, but getting the job done would include the chamber area as well and wouldn't be cheap.

When I mentioned parts were available, these rifles have a bit more respect in Europe and after market stocks are available, again, expensive.

Boyd's used to sell stocks, check their site.

These rifles provide a very stable platform and if assembled correctly and fitted properly, they perform as well as any of their modern counterparts.

Most of these rifles have seen Middle Eastern use. Not your rifle. It doesn't have any Middle Eastern stamps on the butt that I recognize.

Dave, there were civilian versions built on these actions. The actions were ordered from the factory without markings, just like the later Lee Enfield types, by small cottage custom rifle builders. They bought them in the white and finished them to order.
 
Yes, I meant the fore end.

That rifle has issues that are hard to overcome.

My price was on the high side, but you don't run across these gems every day. I'll bet that most of the people out there have no idea what a Martini of any mark looks like and have no idea how strong they are or how consistently accurate the design really is. That rear sight alone will set you back over $100, if you have to purchase one separately.

OP, anyone purchasing your rifle will offer you what it's worth to them. The wood has shrunk badly but that really isn't a huge issue. That rifle was ridden hard and put away wet.

Still, it's value is in the action mainly, barrel, sights, wood likely wouldn't be utilized in a custom build. The action, in the condition your pics portray would bring $250.

When a custom rifle is built on these actions, parts fitted and tuned properly, such as the trigger, which can be stoned and worked to let off as well as any high end custom trigger.

If you pick one up, chambered for the 303 Brit, be careful to check the bore, if it's an early conversion it will have a Metford style of rifling, which looks like it's worn out, with rounded bottoms and edges. The Enfield style rifling should have sharp edges and be a bit deeper. This was done when they transitioned form compressed Black Powder to Smokeless Cordite, which was a step up but still very hard on bores.

Martinis are the Rodney Dangerfields of single shot firearms when it comes to people recognizing their capabilities and advantages. They're difficult to mount a scope with good stability and as people such as myself age, scopes become necessary.

If you're really serious about refinishing it, barrel liners are available, but getting the job done would include the chamber area as well and wouldn't be cheap.

When I mentioned parts were available, these rifles have a bit more respect in Europe and after market stocks are available, again, expensive.

Boyd's used to sell stocks, check their site.

These rifles provide a very stable platform and if assembled correctly and fitted properly, they perform as well as any of their modern counterparts.

Most of these rifles have seen Middle Eastern use. Not your rifle. It doesn't have any Middle Eastern stamps on the butt that I recognize.

Dave, there were civilian versions built on these actions. The actions were ordered from the factory without markings, just like the later Lee Enfield types, by small cottage custom rifle builders. They bought them in the white and finished them to order.

I received feedback from a US source that this rifle is a Kyber pass carbine and since the conversion date to 303 is stamped as 1884 and 303 conversions did not start until many years later, then I am sure that this is a Kyber pass rifle. The more I look at it, now it seems very obvious. Thanks to everyone for your feedback, this forum has the best people!
 
I received feedback from a US source that this rifle is a Kyber pass carbine and since the conversion date to 303 is stamped as 1884 and 303 conversions did not start until many years later, then I am sure that this is a Kyber pass rifle. The more I look at it, now it seems very obvious. Thanks to everyone for your feedback, this forum has the best people!

I have a Martini, full length rifle with almost identical stamps, originally chambered for the 303 British. It was built under British Supervision at the Kabul Arsenal. It seems that many of the carbines and rifles from that arsenal have found their way back to North America, especially the US.

There's always someone trying to pass them off as "Khyber Pass" relics, because they bring a better price. Khyber Pass firearms can be very impressive and bring all sorts of thoughts and dreams to mind, but if there were as many out there as some would like to believe or claim we would be awash in them.


https://youtu.be/6eUP3kGEYGo?t=4
 
I have a 303 Martini carbine with nearly identical markings on the butt. I have always assumed it was a Khyber Pass model since it has no markings on either side of the action and some of the proof marks on the barrel are not correct. One example is a "NITRO PROOVED" stamp on the barrel that has all the letters mirror imaged. I remember reading something about some of these locally made arms being accepted into British service and the stamps on the wood made me wonder if it was one of those.
 
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