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That old worn well used Cape Gun has Character and could be a valuable Wall hanging conversation piece in a Man cave. Cleaning it up a little by replacing the funky Screw Job holding the Left Hammer and repairing the Stock is a relatively small and inexpensive project most Guys could handle.

Value in my opinion is definitely north of 600.** but could be considerably more to the right Buyer !

Cheers
 
Londonshooter said:
It seems then tokguy that we do agree. It is a wall hanger, not a shooter. I was not aware that wall hangers had a value > 200. And no slight to Belgium as a gun making center as I have had and still do have some dandies.
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Thank you for being polite. BP forum is usually that way.
I shot mine, but only as a point because I see no need to have a piece that I cannot.
I actually still have about 6 dozen Belgian / English Clunkers...the old fellow passed and I got the remainder.
They are amazingly easy to move...my son grabbed a ML Cape Rifle off me. .58 x 12 gauge.
I place them @ 2 - 2.5 times value of a run-of-mill shotgun

It's not worthy of a EE post. But I have tons of stuff for these clunkers. If someone is in need...PM me
 
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Londonshooter said:
It seems then tokguy that we do agree. It is a wall hanger, not a shooter. I was not aware that wall hangers had a value > 200. And no slight to Belgium as a gun making center as I have had and still do have some dandies.
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Sometimes you discover a diamond in the rough. I have a Parkhurst of Belgian lineage not English.
It came with original twenty inch barrels as it's a full choke on both. Had a good gunsmith tighten up the action then brown the barrels. Ten gauge killing pattern is something else indeed. Shoots buck&ball like a carbine. Outside of #4 it's quite terrible with any other buckshot handload. Minor point overall.
 
I think that the decision to fix it up and shoot it or not depends on the serviceability of the barrels, particularly the rifle barrel. The wood can be fixed up easily by a knowledgeable owner. Tightening the action can be done by a knowledgeable gunsmith but the real question is how much the current owner is willing to pay to have the action tightened up and can he find a person capable of doing it properly. As to age, I have an American percussion cape gun that I shoot from time to time ; it is more accurate than I am and the only criticism is that it is heavy

cheers mooncoon
 
Londonshooter said:
You calling me small-minded totally went without notice. Pretend it did not happen. Shmuck.
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Well, I'm being 'Small minded' now... who was it that was labelling folks 'Suckers'...? Because we don't think the same as you?
I was actually trying to help the OP out...can you say the same? I have real life experience with a similiar piece...I know it's worth considerably more than 200 $
So now I'm a Shmuck, LoL?
Go kick rocks.
 
I agree about the more than 200.oo as well, if the barrels or O.k.
The money to tighten it up will not be that much. , But with out it in hand hard to tell. I use to have some hammer screws, not sure what I have left.
I Know some in toon town that may have some. The Hat looks like of familiar
 
marshall said:
I agree about the more than 200.oo as well, if the barrels or O.k.
The money to tighten it up will not be that much. , But with out it in hand hard to tell. I use to have some hammer screws, not sure what I have left.
I Know some in toon town that may have some. The Hat looks like of familiar
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OP has it on EE... hope he recoupes his investment. I think I paid 400 $ for mine... but trading it for a commercial Reich Revolver does say that it's worth a touch than 400 IMO.
And the Hat?
 
I have a drilling that would appear to be the same age. It's rifle barrel is in 9.3x72R (ammo available at Epps and TRADEX).
I think that may be what it's chambered in. You can see in OP's pics that the rifle side is chambered for a rimmed ctg.
Can't see any reason this gun could not be saved.
 
The problem with "saving" it is that is was of modest quality when made. The loose action will be the result of cumulative wear in many areas.
This being a gun made for the North American mail order/hardware store market, it is most likely .38-55 caliber.
 
well no action in the EE. I didnt think there would be.
I have a wonderful , educational , historical, expensive, wall hanger now, LOL

some days your the Bug.....some days you are the windshield.
 
Ya gotta give it some time. Hasn't been listed long plus right now because of the way things are for many people because of Covid, some that might be interested just aren't spending the money right now for something they don't really need.
 
marshall said:
I agree about the more than 200.oo as well, if the barrels or O.k.
The money to tighten it up will not be that much. , But with out it in hand hard to tell. I use to have some hammer screws, not sure what I have left.
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I don't think it is worth more than $200, certainly not around here, in the condition it is currently in. I further think that the cost of having a commercial gunsmith tighten it up would be significant, assuming they would do it. I also feel that finding a replacement screw is a hit or miss sort of thing because thread dimensions in the 1800s often varied from maker to maker. As Tiriaq comments on, the cost of repairs commercially may exceed the value of the gun when finished. While I have posted pictures of "wall hangers" that I have brought back to life, I can only afford them because I can do the work myself, very few of them could be justified by have a commercial gunsmith do the work. A final point is that I only work on my own guns and am not a commercial gunsmith

cheers mooncoon
 
tokguy said:
I would tend to disagree... Sometimes the right buyer is somebody who wants a unique piece for the wall in their bar. Run of the mill Belgian side by side 12 go for about 200 bucks. Cape rifle has a lot better stories to go with it over beers. Nobody's going to shoot these things but a purist... And purists look down on them because they're Belgian.
I shot the one that I had... Just because that's what you do. Because you don't think it's worth anything... doesn't mean that it doesn't have value. Calling people suckers because they don't adhere to your norm...seems somewhat small minded.
I helped an older relative move about 40 pieces like this. Didn't see the buyers that I connected with the pieces as suckers...often they were a friend who wanted one over the bar.
And really...what is 200 bucks...diddley squat these days. I've spend more filling up pickup trucks.
So for the equivalent of 4 tanks of gas ( in a 'Normal vehicle') you can have a Cape rifle for your man cave?
Winner, winner...chicken dinner
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Well said!
Cheers
Brian
 
tokguy said:
Well, I'm being 'Small minded' now... who was it that was labelling folks 'Suckers'...? Because we don't think the same as you?
I was actually trying to help the OP out...can you say the same? I have real life experience with a similiar piece...I know it's worth considerably more than 200 $
So now I'm a Shmuck, LoL?
Go kick rocks.
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Well, I do in fact have real life experience with a gun almost exactly the same. And I was the sucker even though the seller genuinely thought it was valuable. Ler's just say it was an expensive lesson buying what in my case turned out to be an unsafe gun.

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