Accuracy at 2500 Yards

Wow!

Obtunded said:
I have a 1-mile range on my neghbour's hay fields. I've shot 6BR's at a mile with 105 bullets and kept all shots on a 14" steel gong. Hitting it was no problem... adjusting the scope until the shots were hitting it was another matter altogether. Bit hard to see bullet impact in the weeds.
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Mother of God that is some kick ass shooting Obtunded!

I feel very humbled.....
 
Obtunded, at least you know that the 105's will work going subsonic. How much further can you go?

I am going to start working on an adjustable scope base. Trying for at least 150min, hopefully 200min. That should get me close to 3000yds.

Enough time to pull the trigger and have a sip of coffee before it lands.

Fun, fun, fun...

Jerry
 
sidetrack but what is up with TV shows fascination with all things sniper?
last week i caught a bit of CSI where some bad guys were using a 50 to cut through the door of a safe to get some drugs out
when they were finished the door looked like one of those "shoot the red star out with a bb machine gun" targets you see at the fair plus it was about 8 inches thick....anyone want to mythbust that one?
 
My guess is that the concussive blast from shooting BMG's in such a confined space would be pretty hard on the shooters.

Not to mention the shrapnel...

Better to just use a microphone and listen for the clicks :)

Jerry
 
mysticplayer said:
Obtunded, at least you know that the 105's will work going subsonic. How much further can you go?

I am going to start working on an adjustable scope base. Trying for at least 150min, hopefully 200min. That should get me close to 3000yds.

Enough time to pull the trigger and have a sip of coffee before it lands.

Fun, fun, fun...

Jerry
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By my math, starting at about 3000 fps and a BC of .556, it is about trans-sonic at one mile. (SOS ~1066 fps at seal level, I'm at 2200') Bergers continue to impress me. You can fire the shot, take off the muffs and listen for the "tink". With some late afternoon sun, you can watch the bullets fall on target... they appear to drop out of the sky!

sun = mirage and then results change a whole lot!

I can hardly wait to start lobbing 115's in a 6X47 Lapua.
 
Max Owner said:
And yet early opinions of the 408 are its a dud.......................
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I don't believe that that's a 100% accurate depiction. Has it fallen short of all the marketing hype? Perhaps. A lot of the .408 CT's accuracy woes revolve around the solid projectiles designed for it and finding barrel land/grove combinations that will shoot them accurately at long range. Barney Lawton has had good luck in producing capable barrels.

There's numerous individuals running .408's who are highly competent shooters who have had impressive results. The research and documentation is out there.

Is the far .408 CT more capable than the .416 Barrett? At this point in time, definitely so.

Take a look at the current .416 Barrett ammo situation and tell me if that's any way to market and support a proprietary cartridge. It's either still born or SIDS, for that cartridge.
 
The .408CT failed largely due to ammunition or lack therof from top manufacturers. Lapua, for instance, did not go for it, although asked to do so. They had already spent lots on .338LM and this calibre is the world military standard for Medium Range Sniper Rifles(MRSR).

Regards,

Peter
 
Between the two, the Barrett will easily be the winner simply because Ronnie has Uncle Sam in his pocket IF they decide to change. Simple retrofit to all those wonderful BMG's now in service and in procurement.

Barnes is on board. I believe Sierra is coming on board shortly. These are industry heavy weights that like the Barrett.

Feedback from shooters tells me the Barrett is accurate and LR performance is up to the hype.

The 408 is independent and running on fumes. It may very well be a 'better' cartridge from a shooters point of view but with no longer a bullet manf, going to be tough to market the program.

If someone has heard of a bullet maker for the 408 bullet, please let me know. Cases also are proving problematic with one, maybe two boutique manf.

There are no shortage of companies making BMG stuff that could gear up for the Barrett. The Barretts also have the pockets to do large volume inventory to satisfy govt demands.

Until Uncle Sam pulls the trigger on this project, like the 6.8SPC, it's all interesting chatter.

Yes, the 408 CT brass can be exported to Canada. NO, the Barrett continues to be deemed evil.

The only real LR cannon that you can set up and shoot would be a huge case 338. Bullets from Sierra, Wildcat push the ballistics to BMG range.

The 338-408CT is a proven wildcat and can push a 300gr MK to 3350fps. Some are shooting the new super heavy Wildcats to 3000+yds. All you really need is a 338-300RUM improved ie EDGE or Mystic and you can be launching lead over the horizon.

Anything larger is interesting but without components, not very exciting.

Jerry
 
Between the two, the Barrett will easily be the winner simply because Ronnie has Uncle Sam in his pocket IF they decide to change. Simple retrofit to all those wonderful BMG's now in service and in procurement.

Until Uncle Sam pulls the trigger on this project, like the 6.8SPC, it's all interesting chatter.
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Highly unlikely. I don't see where you draw that conclusion between civilian and military market regarding the .416 Barrett. Cartridge was designed primarily as a civilian round to begin with. Barrett is no dummy. He's said publically that his company couldn't possibly survive without commercial sales. States that ban .50 BMG are bad for business.

Feedback from shooters tells me the Barrett is accurate and LR performance is up to the hype.
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Sources, please.

The 408 is independent and running on fumes. It may very well be a 'better' cartridge from a shooters point of view but with no longer a bullet manf, going to be tough to market the program.
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Perhaps. Lost River Ballistics (former primary supplier) is under new management and is operated under the new name "Hooker Tactical". As you've mentioned there are several "bullet boutiques".

http://www.hookertactical.com/
http://www.gsgroup.co.za/
http://www.lima-wiederladetechnik.de/Englisch/408-Chey-Tac.htm
http://www.wildcatbullets.homestead.com/ (don't know if production has started yet)
http://www.ttiarmory.com/

The only real LR cannon that you can set up and shoot would be a huge case 338. Bullets from Sierra, Wildcat push the ballistics to BMG range.

The 338-408CT is a proven wildcat and can push a 300gr MK to 3350fps. Some are shooting the new super heavy Wildcats to 3000+yds. All you really need is a 338-300RUM improved ie EDGE or Mystic and you can be launching lead over the horizon.
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For practicality, yes! 100%. Definitely .338 cal is the wasy to go. One interesting note is the recent development of a .375/.408 CT wildcat. Sierra and well as several other companies are looking to produce match grade .375 cal. projectiles. Interesting stuff.

Anything larger is interesting but without components, not very exciting.
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Or sustainable. Might as well re-barrel at that point.
 
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So far, can't find a single company offering 408 Chey Tac type bullets. None of the links have product for sale! Some of those links only allude to firearms reloading.

If the US govt adopts the 416 Barrett, how many rds do you think they will fire in a good war? Barrett owns the rights to this rd and will get paid a licensing fee or just sell it directly.

How many cents per rd X how many millions of rds??????? And that is just for training. Oh, they will also have to retrofit EVERY BARRETT rifle, offer armourers courses, ballistics classes, sniper systems training, parts, accessories, manuals, CD/ DVD whatevers. Even a bunch of T shirts....

The real money has been and will always be with the military contracts. The key is getting the rights to the product. Barrett has no rights to the BMG nor any other cartridge for that matter. With the 416B, they control the rifle, the cartridge and have their fingers in the components.

However, right now Uncle Sam isn't writting any cheques so the civi market is the 'main' event. Barrett is taking yet another gamble on pushing a cartridge/platform before it is officially adopted. One of the first on the 6.8SPC bandwagon. Hope it pans out for them some way.

As for sources of info, just pick up some popular tactical and hunting/rifle mags. There will be articles published soon enough. Maybe look at the Barrett mag and an Alaskan Brown bear hunt.

The 408CT is an interesting wildcat and a very nice way to use that big ole 505 Gibbs case. No components, no noise.

The Barrett is a great concept too but since it is on the prohib list (at least the primers are)...no point.

Cals larger then the 338 may come on line but I will stick with a winner. Besides, the 338 is gaining enormous popularity through the Lapua. Hornady has already hinted at a heavy AMAx for this cal.

pretty nice when you can just phone Cdn mail order and get some bullets for $40/100.

Unobtanium is of little value to me....

Jerry
 
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