Love to see it if you can find it....
Here's a vid to go with grelmar's time lapse post.
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Love to see it if you can find it....
Here's a vid to go with grelmar's time lapse post.
When the RAF comes over, the Germans duck. When the Luftwaffe comes over, the allies duck. When the USAF comes over, everybody ducks.
Operation Cobra in Normandy is a good example.
So was Totalize/Tractable. Rod Keller was the commander of 3rd Cdn ID and was wounded and evacuated as a result of this unwelcome friendly fire. He is reputed to have told his batman, "bring me my pistol, I'm going to shoot the first American I see."
Then number of "friendly fire" incidents during WWII (and since) is shocking to read in official and regimental diaries. Happened way too often to be lightly discounted as the occasional error. More like blatant incompetence on the part of the artillery/air bombardment people.
There were certainly many instances of mistake, incompetence or negligence, but keep in mind that war making at the time (and to some extent, still) was an application of force in the most crude and general fashion.
Early in the war most air dropped bombs, for example, were considered to have been "accurately" dropped if they came within a few hundred yards of their targets. They made up for it in many instances by simply dropping more bombs. Many, many more bombs.
That kind of crude accuracy (at least until the introduction of the Norden bombsight, and arguably afterward) was aggravated by a multitude of other factors, including map accuracy, the quality of the reconnaissance, the weather, communications with other friendly forces, etc, etc, etc.
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some were Canadians?
A US pilot dropped a 500 lb bomb on the PPCLI during a night firing exercise.
It was said that he was suffering the effects of 'uppers' taken to lessen fatigue from the long flight to the target area.
He was disciplined for his error.
It was said that he was suffering the effects of 'uppers' taken to lessen fatigue from the long flight to the target area.
He was disciplined for his error.
There is a quote from U.S. Air Force Verdict (given to pilot), by Lt. Gen. Bruce Carlson, 8th Air Force Commander:
You acted shamefully on 17 April 2002 over Tarnak Farms, Afghanistan, exhibiting arrogance and a lack of flight discipline. When your flight lead warned you to "make sure it's not friendlies" and the Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft controller directed you to "stand by" and later to "hold fire," you should have marked the location with your targeting pod. Thereafter, if you believed, as you stated, you and your leader were threatened, you should have taken a series of evasive actions and remained at a safe distance to await further instructions from AWACS. Instead, you closed on the target and blatantly disobeyed the direction to "hold fire." Your failure to follow that order is inexcusable. I do not believe you acted in defense of Major Umbach or yourself. Your actions indicate that you used your self-defense declaration as a pretext to strike a target, which you rashly decided was an enemy firing position, and about which you had exhausted your patience in waiting for clearance from the Combined Air Operations Center to engage. You used the inherent right of self-defense as an excuse to wage your own war.
https://web.archive.org/web/2004080....ca/news/background/friendlyfire/verdict.html
You acted shamefully on 17 April 2002 over Tarnak Farms, Afghanistan, exhibiting arrogance and a lack of flight discipline. When your flight lead warned you to "make sure it's not friendlies" and the Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft controller directed you to "stand by" and later to "hold fire," you should have marked the location with your targeting pod. Thereafter, if you believed, as you stated, you and your leader were threatened, you should have taken a series of evasive actions and remained at a safe distance to await further instructions from AWACS. Instead, you closed on the target and blatantly disobeyed the direction to "hold fire." Your failure to follow that order is inexcusable. I do not believe you acted in defense of Major Umbach or yourself. Your actions indicate that you used your self-defense declaration as a pretext to strike a target, which you rashly decided was an enemy firing position, and about which you had exhausted your patience in waiting for clearance from the Combined Air Operations Center to engage. You used the inherent right of self-defense as an excuse to wage your own war.
https://web.archive.org/web/2004080....ca/news/background/friendlyfire/verdict.html
Wow. It’s a shame these days that people aren’t tersely reprimanded like that. You f$ck up, you should be called out without the sugar coating.
Was this in relation to the A-10 straffing run during Medusa?
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American ground attack aircraft, huh? How about the A-36 Apache?
The Collins Foundation operates one.
Dive brakes are a nice touch.
The Collins Foundation operates one.
Dive brakes are a nice touch.
Speaking of Vietnam / ground air attack / danger close / great stories from the Jocko podcast SOG episodes, I think these planes are bad-ass.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dou...1_Skyraider_(AD-4NA,_126965)_(7911148090).jpg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dou...1_Skyraider_(AD-4NA,_126965)_(7911148090).jpg
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Yes .... at Cider Crossroads (west of Ortona) the RCR took numerous casualties from their supporting artillery fire plan (orange blossom) during their first assault. They were lucky to be able to scrape enough soldiers together to make a second - and successful - assault to capture the crossroads.
