Recomendations on some IPSC gear

Freedom Ventures said:
"I just shoot IPSC for fun." It's a great statement and a nice attitude, but in the decades I've been in this - I've never seen anyone who had a gun that didn't function properly (accuracy, malfunctions, whatever) tell me at the end of his day (or run) that it was fun.

I'd honestly be concerned about a persons' sanity if they told me they're happiest when they are frustrated.
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Lots of good discussion and very valid opinions here.

To the OP, you can shoot (almost) anything, but the IPSC bug will get you and you will find that you will want to run with bigger dogs. Before you start spending money, have a non-emotional discussion with yourself about what you want to do with your gun, whether it be shoot it or sell it. Lots of us have a few holsters we don't use anymore as we grew into the sport, so you are not alone.

And a few bucks spent on a holster will be the least of your expenses, once you start.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
30 years ago; I took my BB with a Ruger P85. I didn't finish that weekend. I did makeups later with a 586 and passed with that revolver.
It was easier to shoot a revolver than that gun.

Having owned one and shot a P85; I can't think of a more difficult gun to shoot for IPSC competition.
OP, do yourself a favor and look for another pistol. You'll just be beating your head against a wall until you do.
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I seem to recall that after a couple of years of the same Ruger being used by BB students and sold almost immediately afterwards to someone else, that a certain BB instructor bought the Ruger so he would never see it in his class again. :)
 
There are 3 types of guns I've seen have nothing but problems in my 20 years of competing and teaching. One I know people will never stop using, 1911s, the other two, Ruger P series guns and the worst, Springfield XDs (or the Euro precursor) need to be driven off the planet. While the Ruger may work for simple plinking, the heavy and horrible trigger make that less fun than one would think. Try to drive the pistol hard in practice and it will shut down, and, your trigger finger will hate you. In competition it will be unreliable and you won't enjoy that. Sure, maybe, you've got the one lucky one to have come out of the factory that will run somewhat decently, but there is a reason you don't see them fielded except by total new shooters, and I know this is harsh, but they suck. They are designed to be competitive in any way shape or form and are lacking the after market support necessary to make them so. If you truly think you won't mind, then yeah, spend the money to outfit yourself with holsters and mag pouches for it (the mag pouches will likely work with other double stack pistol mags should you choose to upgrade later,nsonlkng as you get adjustable ones like Double Alpha Academy or CR Speed sell.
And no, your Norinco 1911 isn't a better choice. Sorry for being a downer dude.
 
ipsc1 said:
I seem to recall that after a couple of years of the same Ruger being used by BB students and sold almost immediately afterwards to someone else, that a certain BB instructor bought the Ruger so he would never see it in his class again. :)
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HAHA! You remember correctly!
 
Slavex said:
There are 3 types of guns I've seen have nothing but problems in my 20 years of competing and teaching. One I know people will never stop using, 1911s, the other two, Ruger P series guns and the worst, Springfield XDs (or the Euro precursor) need to be driven off the planet. While the Ruger may work for simple plinking, the heavy and horrible trigger make that less fun than one would think. Try to drive the pistol hard in practice and it will shut down, and, your trigger finger will hate you. In competition it will be unreliable and you won't enjoy that. Sure, maybe, you've got the one lucky one to have come out of the factory that will run somewhat decently, but there is a reason you don't see them fielded except by total new shooters, and I know this is harsh, but they suck. They are designed to be competitive in any way shape or form and are lacking the after market support necessary to make them so. If you truly think you won't mind, then yeah, spend the money to outfit yourself with holsters and mag pouches for it (the mag pouches will likely work with other double stack pistol mags should you choose to upgrade later,nsonlkng as you get adjustable ones like Double Alpha Academy or CR Speed sell.
And no, your Norinco 1911 isn't a better choice. Sorry for being a downer dude.
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Don't lump all 1911s in the same category. All my 1911s from the STI, Infinity and now my two Atlas have all worked flawlessly.
 
Slavex said:
...And no, your Norinco 1911 isn't a better choice. Sorry for being a downer dude.
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There is an old joke:

- You like cats?
- No
- You just don't know how to cook them properly

I'm pretty sure even in BC woods you can find an experienced gunsmith who can make Norinco 1911 to run reliably. Though may have to put some more cost into the gun... replace/tune extractor, basic trigger job, etc.
 
euxx said:
There is an old joke:

- You like cats?
- No
- You just don't know how to cook them properly

I'm pretty sure even in BC woods you can find an experienced gunsmith who can make Norinco 1911 to run reliably. Though may have to put some more cost into the gun... replace/tune extractor, basic trigger job, etc.
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hahahahaha, or just buy a gun that works, even with factory springs in it. You and I both know 1911s require a lot more effort to get running and keep running than any other gun out there. I have yet to run into anyone running one in a serious manner that hasn't had to, tune extractors, tune mags, tune the springs, tune this tune that, after dumping, often, 5 to 10 grand on the bloody things. Sure, once they get going, they can be really nice to shoot, but they are not "reliable" guns.
 
Slavex said:
I have yet to run into anyone running one in a serious manner that hasn't had to, tune extractors, tune mags, tune the springs, tune this tune that, after dumping, often, 5 to 10 grand on the bloody things. Sure, once they get going, they can be really nice to shoot, but they are not "reliable" guns.
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Hi. Remember me? We've run into each other a few times. I've been running 1911's for a while now (decades, not years).
I do not tune mags... I use Tripp. I admit there are crappy mags out there to be avoided.
I do not tune springs. I do admit to using a slightly lighter recoil spring. I put it in, and use it for 4 or 5 years.
I have never put 5 or 10 grand into one of my 1911's. I do admit I have never been willing to compete with out right out of the box.
I used to shoot about 20k rounds/year, now down to about half of that.
My guns run reliably.

I will admit that out of the box they all required a trigger job.
I will admit to being particular about the ammo I shoot, and chamber check every single round.

1911s are good guns. Do they run as well out of the box as a Glock? No. But I love the 1911 and I've won hundreds of matches with them. I have zero concern about reliability with my guns.

-ivan-
 
ivan said:
Hi. Remember me? We've run into each other a few times. I've been running 1911's for a while now (decades, not years).
I do not tune mags... I use Tripp. I admit there are crappy mags out there to be avoided.
I do not tune springs. I do admit to using a slightly lighter recoil spring. I put it in, and use it for 4 or 5 years.
I have never put 5 or 10 grand into one of my 1911's. I do admit I have never been willing to compete with out right out of the box.
I used to shoot about 20k rounds/year, now down to about half of that.
My guns run reliably.

I will admit that out of the box they all required a trigger job.
I will admit to being particular about the ammo I shoot, and chamber check every single round.

1911s are good guns. Do they run as well out of the box as a Glock? No. But I love the 1911 and I've won hundreds of matches with them. I have zero concern about reliability with my guns.

-ivan-
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I second that.
 
HI; I Found a Smith Wesson Doug Koenig 1911 factory custom worked well with just a couple of springs replaced. Good mags and detailed attention to the reloading. The proper reloaded ammo make any gun work better.
Not needing to clear jams in the gun always make for a better score and more fun.
 
Also, there are .45, .40 and the 9mm 1911. Ivan may disagree, but the .40 one is most sensitive to ammo and mags. Two of my 9s run basically with next to no maintenance. I also have running .40 and either of those wasn't that much over the price of a new Shadow 2.
 
Took my BB with an original CZ 75, accurate and reliable. Thought I'd upgrade, tried a match with my Steyr L9A1, didn't run as well as I thought. Recently purchased a Glock 35 to use in Major and have a Shadow 2 in the works. It's a hobby that will cost money, but probably the most fun you can have with your clothes on.
 
euxx said:
Also, there are .45, .40 and the 9mm 1911. Ivan may disagree, but the .40 one is most sensitive to ammo and mags.
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I do agree that the 40 is the most sensitive. And yet I still prefer 40 for competition, so clearly the reliability is top notch. I've owned and competed with 9, 40, 45, 38Super. For a whole 'nuther can of worms, ask Eugene why my 40 usually (but not always) beats his 9 :)

-ivan-
 
BigC396 said:
Recently went to watch an IPSC match and would like to get involved in the near future in my home province of Newfoundland. Trying to put together some gear but not having the best luck. Looking for a suitable holster to fit a Ruger P85, cant seem to find one anywhere. As well, a list of other items i need to get started and some options on where to buy, preferably online. Thanks.
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Hey
What part of the island are you moving to?
I'm over on the west Coast.
We got set up with IPSC ,2 years ago but have yet to get an RO.
I think the townies ( ha ha) dont want to get their azzes handed to them.
I took the BB with a Shadow 1,then moved to a Shadow 2.
I'm planning on running a Canik TP9SFX Elite this year.
It cost me $500, but it's a good shooter, for me it's the best SF I e tried so far.

$300 gets you a ghost holster, belt,and 4 mag pouches.
5 mags should get you through any course.
Oh,one last thing,and it's most important.

You need one of those snazzy Ipsc shirts..lol
 
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