Some very rare and unique pins and my grandfather's from both parents medals

[36 hamon]

Both my parents father's were in WW1 both got the Military Metal my moms dad recieved the bar as well ...I do have a question I would like to know what the flowers on the ribbon bar means ...my mom's dad was mentioned in dispatches a few times as well he lied to get in the army at 17 he was a Sergeant we have a pic of him with his parents with his stripes he looks just like a kid ...the pins are cool the 3 pins are from Long Branch CAL and REL when they had a shop at CAL they came from a fella that started there when it opened and worked there till he retired
...some cool pins from a bit of history a lot of ppl don't remember the Mackenzie Papineau Battalion
And lastly a cool munition pin repeated 6 months service which apparently was a long time and some patriotic pins
Interesting stuff

 

[maple_leaf_eh]

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Both my parents father's were in WW1 both got the Military Metal my moms dad recieved the bar as well ...I do have a question I would like to know what the flowers on the ribbon bar means ...my mom's dad was mentioned in dispatches a few times as well he lied to get in the army at 17 he was a Sargent we have a pic of him with his parents with his stripes he looks just like a kid ...the pins are cool the 3 pins are from Long Branch CAL and REL when they had a shop at CAL they came from a fella that started there when it opened and worked there till he retired
...some cool pins from a bit of history a lot of ppl don't remember the Mackenzie Papineau Battalion
And lastly a cool munition pin repeated 6 months service which apparently was a long time and some patriotic pins
Interesting stuff

That Spanish Civil War pin is interesting indeed. The fellows who went over just happened to be the most combat experienced troops in 1939. I remember asking my father why more of them weren't recruited into the regular army for WW2. He said they were considered politically unreliable because while they had gone over to fight Fascism, the Canadian government had tried to discourage them from leaving. Communists and militant trade unionists might not have blended into the mainstream regiments very well. A few did enlist, but not as a rule.

 

[tigrr]

Really cool pins and medals. My grandfather was in the RCAF.

 

[36 hamon]

I have gathered so much stuff over the years lol I sometimes forget I have them all ....my grandad's medals are cool I have most of the info for my mom's dad but I have nothing on my dad's ...my dad thinks he escaped from a POW camp in WW1 But i am not sure ..my mom's dad recieved one medal for mining under a Turkish gun but they encountered a Turkish trench they dispatched the Turks and blew up a gun I have the report here somewhere ....not sure what the other medal was for or why he was mentioned in dispatches I tried to find out but the records were destroyed in WW2

 

[Brutus]

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Both my parents father's were in WW1 both got the Military Metal my moms dad recieved the bar as well ...I do have a question I would like to know what the flowers on the ribbon bar means ...my mom's dad was mentioned in dispatches a few times as well he lied to get in the army at 17 he was a Sergeant we have a pic of him with his parents with his stripes he looks just like a kid ...the pins are cool the 3 pins are from Long Branch CAL and REL when they had a shop at CAL they came from a fella that started there when it opened and worked there till he retired
...some cool pins from a bit of history a lot of ppl don't remember the Mackenzie Papineau Battalion
And lastly a cool munition pin repeated 6 months service which apparently was a long time and some patriotic pins
Interesting stuff

The flower is called officiously a rosette.
Denotes additional years of military service with good personal conduct.
For example CD current red ribbon with thin white stripes is 12 years, another rosette on the same CD ribbon is additional ten years, etc.
So we are looking at a long time careerist IMO.
His brave life demonstrated on his chest full of medals.

 

[36 hamon]

He went through WW1 I have no clue what unit he was in and re upped in WW2 in signals I have all his books and maps and uniforms boxes of it

 

[woodchopper]

there are medals missing, they should match the ribbons on the bar.

WW2 medals


left one should be a 1939-45 star
second one is a Atlantic star, with a clasp (rosette on the ribbon) Aircrew??
and on the right is the Africa star with clasp (rosette)

 

[36 hamon]

I would not be surprised my dad and his dad did not meet for 25 years my dad stayed in England his dad took off for Canada and left his wife and my dad behind ..his wife in England tossed out his stuff and the lady who i called Grandma got rid of most of his stuff when he died i was lucky he had some stuff stashed in the attic and garage that bar was with that stuff she did keep the medals in the house they have his name enscibed on the edge the bar was with the stuff in the attic ...to tell the truth im not even sure if the bar is his i have no knowledge on what the ribbons mean...i never heard of him being in africa or air force i should did out his uniform i think his coat has ribbons on the chest

I went downstairs and dug out his short jacket ..this is his bar for sure im not sure about the other one it may have been a friend of his any help reading those ribbons would be great

 

[woodchopper]

I would not be surprised my dad and his dad did not meet for 25 years my dad stayed in England his dad took off for Canada and left his wife and my dad behind ..his wife in England tossed out his stuff and the lady who i called Grandma got rid of most of his stuff when he died i was lucky he had some stuff stashed in the attic and garage that bar was with that stuff she did keep the medals in the house they have his name enscibed on the edge the bar was with the stuff in the attic ...to tell the truth im not even sure if the bar is his i have no knowledge on what the ribbons mean...i never heard of him being in africa or air force i should did out his uniform i think his coat has ribbons on the chestView attachment 462343

I went downstairs and dug out his short jacket ..this is his bar for sure im not sure about the other one it may have been a friend of his any help reading those ribbons would be great

Ok going to take some digging

the for right is a Canadian Volunteer Service Meda; with the maple leaf so service outside Canada. (WW2)


far left is the Military medal, so he did something that got him an award for Bravery

the two in the middle are familiar but I will need to do some searching

found the 2nd from the left.... British War medal (not Canadian) 1914 -1920 and the next one 3rd from the left looks like its the British Victory medal 1914-1919


so I'm really puzzled here, this bar seems to be a mix of British WW1 medals with the Canadian Volunteer Service medal

 

[bogusiii]

I would not be surprised my dad and his dad did not meet for 25 years my dad stayed in England his dad took off for Canada and left his wife and my dad behind ..his wife in England tossed out his stuff and the lady who i called Grandma got rid of most of his stuff when he died i was lucky he had some stuff stashed in the attic and garage that bar was with that stuff she did keep the medals in the house they have his name enscibed on the edge the bar was with the stuff in the attic ...to tell the truth im not even sure if the bar is his i have no knowledge on what the ribbons mean...i never heard of him being in africa or air force i should did out his uniform i think his coat has ribbons on the chestView attachment 462343

I went downstairs and dug out his short jacket ..this is his bar for sure im not sure about the other one it may have been a friend of his any help reading those ribbons would be great

Does the tunic have flashes sewn on the arms? If so, can you share pics of them?

 

[05RAV]

I would not be surprised my dad and his dad did not meet for 25 years my dad stayed in England his dad took off for Canada and left his wife and my dad behind ..his wife in England tossed out his stuff and the lady who i called Grandma got rid of most of his stuff when he died i was lucky he had some stuff stashed in the attic and garage that bar was with that stuff she did keep the medals in the house they have his name enscibed on the edge the bar was with the stuff in the attic ...to tell the truth im not even sure if the bar is his i have no knowledge on what the ribbons mean...i never heard of him being in africa or air force i should did out his uniform i think his coat has ribbons on the chestView attachment 462343
I went downstairs and dug out his short jacket ..this is his bar for sure im not sure about the other one it may have been a friend of his any help reading those ribbons would be great

The ribbon bars on the jacket are as follows from the far left:

Military Medal (UK and Commonwealth)- it was awarded until 1993. So it could be either WW1 or WW2. Taking into account that the other two medals are from WW1 it is most likely awarded for WW1.

British War Medal WW1

Victory Medal WW1

Candian Volunteer Service Medal with clasp WW2 - it was established on 22 October 1943. The clasp with a maple leaf at its centre (just a maple leaf on the ribbon bar), was awarded for 60 days service outside Canada. It is interesting that Newfoundland counted as outside Canada. It is quite likely that the owner of the jacket served as a volunteer in Newfoundland for at least 60 days during WW2.

 

[36 hamon]

My grandad fought in the british army in ww1 and the canadian army ww2 the tunic has sergeant stripes ...that other bar i dont think it is from my family it may belong to a group of medals that were from a gent in Grimsby ..tragic tale for another day.i have no idea where he was stationed in either war we have very little info on him as insaid he and my dad didnt even meet until my dad was 25 and moved here from England ...he was born here but went back with his mom when he was months old my grandad went back to England but pretty much turned right around and came here to stay and started a new life with the person i called grandma i dont think i ever met my dads real mom .
My moms dads medals we do have details on he also tried to re join the army but he was essential as he was a police inspecter by this time ..i have a pic of him in his bobby uniform gaurding the cenotaph i think in Manchester pre WW2 he is wearing his medals

 

[Sharps '74]

That Spanish Civil War pin is interesting indeed. The fellows who went over just happened to be the most combat experienced troops in 1939. I remember asking my father why more of them weren't recruited into the regular army for WW2. He said they were considered politically unreliable because while they had gone over to fight Fascism, the Canadian government had tried to discourage them from leaving. Communists and militant trade unionists might not have blended into the mainstream regiments very well. A few did enlist, but not as a rule.

The Editor of the "Maple Leaf" paper told how that one of his staff had been with the Mac-Paps during the Spanish Civil War. He was taken on after being wounded fighting in Holland.

One day a spit shone member of the Provost Corps showed up, seconded from the RCMP for the war. He asked the Editor about the political leanings of this particular fellow. The Editor chewed him out, asking what fighting he had done and told him to get the hell out of his office.

 

[Fireguy0991]

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I do have a question I would like to know what the flowers on the ribbon bar means ..

The bar on the one MM usually means a second award. You get the medal on the first award and a bar for all awards after the first one.

If a service person was mentioned in dispatch they would have a device to attach to the ribbon, the device would be a laurel leaf device

As for the rosettes on the ribbon I don’t think they are correct. ( they look like C.D. Award rosettes) During the Second World War each service person was only entitled to max of 5 campaign stars, if a service person was also entitled to another campaign star they would get a bar for that star. I have to look up the bar Id for each star don’t have them off the top of the head.

The maple leaf on the Canadian volunteer medal indicates the service member served over seas, do have the duration off had have to look it up.

I would go to the national archives to request the service records....I use a guy in Ottawa to do my searches. The record usually tell what the MM was awarded for. Or search the Canadian Gazette for the award

 

[36 hamon]

He did earn two MMs we know the reason for one as I mentioned we don't know about the other ,the mentioned in dispatches we know he recieved where the laural leaf went from the ribbon I don't know we have part of his records and it says he was MID I will have too talk to my sister she has the info with the family records ...that bar is not from my family it must be one I picked up somewhere the bar and ribbon pic I posted later is my dad's father's ribbon I have his tunic .

 

[Buggle]

The Spanish pin is super cool. It's also funny tho "Look ma! I went to war and they gave me this awesome tin pin!" lol...

 

[dts369]

if you want the records for both of your grandfathers medals join the british medals forum,the members will help you with any research you need.

 

[36 hamon]

That sounds like a plan thx

 

[toyboy]

here's some i believe to be hat badges or pins.some family some given to me.

war medals are all family heirlooms,including the fenian raid medal.some things i can't identify.

 

[Leg]

You can search National archives to find out what medals were awarded in WWI. Only cost me £2 last time I did it. https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-medal-index-cards-1914-1920/. WWI medals are easy to track as they are named. The MM will also have the name and number on the rim so you can identify who both sets belong to.

VAC for WWII stuff: https://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/medals-decorations/contact-information

The CVSM with no other WWII medals and the overseas clasp means they served at least 18 months during WWII with at least 60 days being outside Canada. Being in England or even Newfoundland would count. They never got to continental Europe, or served less than 6 months there as they don’t have the 39-45 star. This only applies to the ribbons. The medals includes the Defence Medal which likely means six months service in the UK during the war and the War Medal is for 28 days war time service. Those two were likely awarded after his completion of service and would explain why they’re missing from the ribbons.