C-21 banning replica airguns

StoneHorse said:
You don't seem to give other people much credit. ...
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sadly no. I have seen the lies and bull#### from the turd his voters are eating up and demanding more....


Now on the agenda: Warrant less searches


And they scream " ITS NOT ENOUGH!!!! WE NEED MORE FASCISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


so no .. no credit given
 
Teac said:
sadly no. I have seen the lies and bull#### from the turd his voters are eating up and demanding more....


Now on the agenda: Warrant less searches


And they scream " ITS NOT ENOUGH!!!! WE NEED MORE FASCISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


so no .. no credit given
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We will find out soon which way the wind is blowing.
 
North of 7 said:
The key words I see in the statement are "look exactly like..." well it doesn't seem to mention alterations so it doesn't look exactly like...

North
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14 years imprisonment for altering an airsoft just like taking the block out of a magazine so it can hold more than 5 rounds gets you 14, probably on top of the 10 for having the 'overcapacity' mag in the first place. I joke only a little. Now if you were a gangster shooting up the place with a smuggled handgun, off in three months because of pre-trial time served. Oh and another lifetime firearms ban on top of the three you have already. Oddly the Liberal C21 gun ban which is claimed to be all about ending gun violence didn't even tocuh this.
 
Teac said:
it doesnt matter. you can piss off the people who arent voting for you as much as you want.


Also many people will trade their airsoft gun for more government hand outs and all the other liberal lies and woke bull####
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Ah yes, because the best way to get people together to fight C-21 is to call them liberal pussies who deserved it, and be surprised they don't want to work with you. Gun owners truly are their own worst enemies.
 
OkayShooter said:
This was posted by an airgun business, which was brought up by another business.
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I'm not sure if this is actually correct. I downloaded the Bill and read it and the way I read it it only references airguns that are replicas of one of the 1500 guns that were banned last year. If that was the case then his example of the Kral Puncher would not be correct as I don't believe it was on the banned list. The other interesting thing is that replica airguns that were under 366 fps were already prohibited, this new Bill covers the ones that are between 366 and 500fps. TC
 
trky chsr said:
I'm not sure if this is actually correct. I downloaded the Bill and read it and the way I read it it only references airguns that are replicas of one of the 1500 guns that were banned last year. If that was the case then his example of the Kral Puncher would not be correct as I don't believe it was on the banned list. The other interesting thing is that replica airguns that were under 366 fps were already prohibited, this new Bill covers the ones that are between 366 and 500fps. TC
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Here another dealer and their exp with the RCMP. The previous quote, and this quote, are 2 business that help each other.

Here's the wording concerning air guns in Bill C-21 summary report
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cntr ... 21-en.aspx
Ensure mid-velocity 'replica' firearms are prohibited

Update the Criminal Code to ensure that any device, including an unregulated airgun that looks exactly like a conventional regulated firearm (i.e., shoots over 500 feet per second), is prohibited for the purposes of import, export, sale and transfer.

Current owners may keep their 'replicas' but cannot transfer them to anyone else.

No further 'replica' firearms could be imported into, or sold/transferred in Canada.

This amendment does not affect other types of airguns that do not exactly replicate a conventional regulated firearm.

Here's the change to definition of a replica firearm in the bill:

"replica firearm means any device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, a firearm that is designed or adapted to discharge a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.#4 m per second and at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.#7 Joules, and that itself is not a firearm, but does not include any such device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, an antique firearm; (réplique)" https://parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/43-2/ ... st-reading

This is bad news all around and it's intent is to make all replica air pistols and rifles prohibited.
That's bad enough.
But as the RCMP Firearms program dealt with my application for the Xisico XS120D, so they will interpret this legislation the same. They denied my application for the XS120D dual cal pistol because it is a clone of the Beeman P17 but shoots in 22 too slow and so they decided it would be rated a replica firearm and prohibited. They asked to have one sent and tested. I declined.
This is a weird case but shows that they take seriously the government deeming air guns as firearms.
So if you look at the wording they are saying that any rifle or pistol that looks exactly the same as any regulated firearm (over 500fps) will become prohibited. Well, we all know any air rifle or air pistol over 500fps is deemed a regulated firearm, so any detuned version of those air rifles and pistols will also now be deemed prohibited by the firearms program and not be allowed to be imported or sold in Canada.. Most air rifles in Canada at sub 500fps and a lot of pistols are detuned models that have a above 500fps version. Even classics like the Crosman 1377 or 1322, since the 1322 looks like a 1377, would be prohibited if they don't put a clause in there like they did with antique firearms.
They are in danger of wiping out the sub 500fps airgun industry in Canada and will make it necessary to have a firearms license to own any airgun if they continue this way.
Of course this might be amended if enough of us cry out about it. I've emailed my MP about it. I've asked the firearms program about it as well. They said they had no input into making the law, and could understand why I'd be concerned.

The last clause either shows they don't know what they did when they wrote the earlier statement and hadn't intended to end up banning most sub 500fps Airguns, or it is intended to obscure what they actually are doing. I won't speculate on which is true, but it's our job to make sure they know what their wording will do.

Whether it gets amended or not to add a clause exempting low power versions of other airguns, it's a sad day to see them prohibiting all the replica airguns in Canada, which is very clearly their intention.
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trky chsr said:
I'm not sure if this is actually correct. I downloaded the Bill and read it and the way I read it it only references airguns that are replicas of one of the 1500 guns that were banned last year. If that was the case then his example of the Kral Puncher would not be correct as I don't believe it was on the banned list. The other interesting thing is that replica airguns that were under 366 fps were already prohibited, this new Bill covers the ones that are between 366 and 500fps. TC
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Read it again. It changes the definition in the Criminal Code so catches all air guns as replicas, not only those in the May 1 OIC. If you think otherwise please quote the section that lead you there.
 
To me under this legislation a diana 24 looks an awful lot like a Diana 34 with near precision. A diana 34 is a firearm......hmmm. You know what several other low powered spring air guns also look like firearms too. Not just those BB pistol’s.
 
If you stare at it long enough, a Daisy bb gun looks a lot like an ak47, especially if you drink the same stuff BillyB drinks.
 
bogusiii said:
Read it again. It changes the definition in the Criminal Code so catches all air guns as replicas, not only those in the May 1 OIC. If you think otherwise please quote the section that lead you there.
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It doesn't catch *all* airguns as replicas, only sub-500fps ones that look like "real" firearms. So if you have an over-500fps gun it's an actual firearm, therefore not a replica. If you have a sub-500 fps gun that doesn't look like any "real" gun you're fine.

But if you have an airgun that comes in both PAL-rated and non-PAL-rated versions, the non-PAL-rated one will likely be considered a replica of the PAL-rated one, and would therefore be prohibited.
 
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