HELP - Identify these two rifles

[katazone]

Can anyone help identify these, provide more details and value?
I found some info on the Barker Arms BP Double barrel but it is unclear as to the differences between New Baker and Baker.
Thanks in advance

 

[Arctic]

First off, that's "BARKER" not Baker!
Most likely what is referred to as JAB!

 

[katazone]

First off, that's "BARKER" not Baker!
Most likely what is referred to as JAB!

Yes, that was a type-o.
JAB???
Not much help LOL

 

[gunsaholic]

JAB--just another Belgian clunker. The Belgian made low end guns and changed a bit of the lettering in the names of well known gun makers to sort of fool the public. In this case Barker for Baker. Neither gun are worth more than basically wall hanger money.

 

[tiriaq]

Yes, the double is a Belgian hardware store gun, one of the untold thousands imported in the late 19th, early 20th centuries. Value will be nominal. If the action is tight, and the bores are clean, it could be a shooter with appropriate loads.
The muzzleloading single looks to be a common grade English shotgun, again representative of the type produced in large numbers in Birmingham in the mid-19th century. The old stock repair does nothing for the value. Maybe $150.
The powder flasks are probably worth $30 - $50 each.

 

[katazone]

JAB--just another Belgian clunker. The Belgian made low end guns and changed a bit of the lettering in the names of well known gun makers to sort of fool the public. In this case Barker for Baker. Neither gun are worth more than basically wall hanger money.

Thx

 

[katazone]

Yes, the double is a Belgian hardware store gun, one of the untold thousands imported in the late 19th, early 20th centuries. Value will be nominal. If the action is tight, and the bores are clean, it could be a shooter with appropriate loads.
The muzzleloading single looks to be a common grade English shotgun, again representative of the type produced in large numbers in Birmingham in the mid-19th century. The old stock repair does nothing for the value. Maybe $150.
The powder flasks are probably worth $30 - $50 each.

Thx

 

[Mike Webb]

JAB--just another Belgian clunker. The Belgian made low end guns and changed a bit of the lettering in the names of well known gun makers to sort of fool the public. In this case Barker for Baker. Neither gun are worth more than basically wall hanger money.

You are right about the Belgian low grade guns trying to capitalize on well known makers. I think the Barker was designed to fool some that it was a Parker. I have seen Belgian guns marked LC Schmidt posing as LC Smiths. Also W. Richards passing for Westley Richards. Most have little value other than wall hangers unless in great condition. Same for the cap and ball shotgun. If you are selling the powder flasks, sell them as is. Many decide to "polish" them up and take value away to an antique collector. My 2 cents.