School me on the SxS .410
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Actually no, I've read articles written by experts who state the same as I did, and after 50 years of hunting myself, and given the price of ammo for the .410, I don't see the purpose of one except maybe as a beginners shotgun.
Here's one experts opinion...
Actually the expert confirms that the 410 is a poor choice for beginners. His words are" akin to sending a child ocean fishing in an 8 foot skiff" And "Shooting a 410 would only limit the child's ability to be successful"
sillymike
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We had a similar conversation last fall, how a 20g SxS would be nice... but then, what would you do with all that 12g ammo...
Moose Masher
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I had a CZ branded Huglu 28ga for a while. A Bobwhite. It was a bit rough around the edges, but was a nice gun for the price range.
Ultimately, I got rid of it because it just did not fit me well. There wasn't enough drop at the comb for me and I had to really press my face against the stock to get low enough.
I have used a .410 of one sort or another for grouse since I started hunting them as a kid almost 40 years ago.
Haven't seen too many get up and fly away because the gun was a .410. It doesn't take many pellets to kill a grouse no matter what the bore size is.
These days, me and my son both use the Stoeger/IGA sxs .410 for grouse. They are choked full/full.
I've had mine for about 20 years now. They are heavy and ugly, but they just plain work.
It is straight and it fits me well, so I hit well with it.
Ultimately, I got rid of it because it just did not fit me well. There wasn't enough drop at the comb for me and I had to really press my face against the stock to get low enough.
I have used a .410 of one sort or another for grouse since I started hunting them as a kid almost 40 years ago.
Haven't seen too many get up and fly away because the gun was a .410. It doesn't take many pellets to kill a grouse no matter what the bore size is.
These days, me and my son both use the Stoeger/IGA sxs .410 for grouse. They are choked full/full.
I've had mine for about 20 years now. They are heavy and ugly, but they just plain work.
It is straight and it fits me well, so I hit well with it.
I cant help you with the model you are looking at. I had a Savage 311 in 410 as well. See them occasionally on used LGS racks - if you find one definitely take a look at it if it s on good shape.
Mine was great, relatively light but I sold it as I use a Savage 24 .22/20 gauge primarily for grouse. That being said, I tracked down a Savage 24 .22/.410 and my wife used it all fall and loved it. She didnt like the 20 gauge.
Mine was great, relatively light but I sold it as I use a Savage 24 .22/20 gauge primarily for grouse. That being said, I tracked down a Savage 24 .22/.410 and my wife used it all fall and loved it. She didnt like the 20 gauge.
badgreenbird
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Revolution Armory makes a pretty cheap .410 SxS... with screw-in chokes
I had the Stoeger coach gun... didn't like it at all. Weighed a ton, and open chokes (which is fine for a coach gun, but useless if you want to take it hunting. Max range = 10 yards)
I had the Stoeger coach gun... didn't like it at all. Weighed a ton, and open chokes (which is fine for a coach gun, but useless if you want to take it hunting. Max range = 10 yards)
Not really...lol..I have a single shot huglu 28 gauge and that’s it’s...however I have handled a top of the line yildez 410 sxs that A guy I know has owned for a while it it’s an awesome/flawless gun.the wood and engraving are superb.
I debated for a long time about getting one of those huglu 410 mini sxs's but when I was just about to pull the trigger I was told then by the retailer that they are in the low 6lb range so I couldn't bring myself to buy one when I allready had a few sxs 20's that were lighter. I eventually found an older aya no 3 that is beautifully scaled down and weighs just 4lbs 15oz choked full and mod that is great fun to swing and shoot
I'll be another suggesting the .410 is an experts gun for wingshooting. Yes, you can pot grouse off the side of the road, but few can use it successfully for birds on the wing.
A .410 will immediately put a youngster at a disadvantage - and the gun has no upward potential.
Give a youngster, old enough to handle it, a youth model 20 gauge - and start them out with loads as light as a 28 gauge. As they mature, they can handle somewhat heavier hunting loads.
Some youth models even come with options for expanding length of pull, useful as a teen grows.
The 20 gauge has the advantage for moderate priced ammunition too.
A .410 will immediately put a youngster at a disadvantage - and the gun has no upward potential.
Give a youngster, old enough to handle it, a youth model 20 gauge - and start them out with loads as light as a 28 gauge. As they mature, they can handle somewhat heavier hunting loads.
Some youth models even come with options for expanding length of pull, useful as a teen grows.
The 20 gauge has the advantage for moderate priced ammunition too.
sillymike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I have always had a SxS 410. I like then and they do the job on Grouse and Squirrels. Did some ducks too from ponds jumping them up. No reason to to get one ( or two) and shoot with them. I would recommend a tight choke and being accurate with the "aim" . not much of a pattern with the light weight of the shot it has. Keep you shots under 25 yrds and closer of course. I have an Iver Jonson Skeeter for Skeet and that is just wonderful.
Thank you. Pics dont do it justice
I will do my best to take high score at the next cgn sxs classic with this gun. I know its on the way to young size for you but youre welcome to try a round with it
Ive found that when using shot larger than #7 more open chokes pattern more densely. I had once had a 410 choked improved cylinder that patterned 9/16" #5 shot so densely i could take bunnies and groundhogs at 40 yards
Many ppl will buy #4 shot size shells and shoot thru a full choke and get a wide pattern with holes all over and blame the gauge and not their shot size to choke choice. Full chokes are fine for smaller shot.
I grew up using a 410 and a 22lr with birdshot to shoot flying grasshoppers. The 410 was my primary choice for starlings and grackles and at one time red wing blackbirds
#8.5 or #9 patterns well and tight in full chokes and kills quite well. Its not meant for 40 yard crossing shots on pheasants but ive seen alot of ppl miss those shots with a heavy loaded 12ga too.
Each pellet has the same energy if the velocity and weight is the same no matter what gauge fires it.
Running hounds for cottontails a 410 and #6 shot works just fine
I too have a huglu 202b in 20ga. I really enjoy it even though its a tad short in the stock. Perfect for when im wearing hunting clothes though. Its been flawless in function and a joy to hunt with as well
nowarningshot
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I have a Stoeger Uplander 410 ###. It has slightly longer barrels.than a coach gun, and is choked full/full, has double.triggers. So it's a ditch swatting grouse gun, for.which it is perfectly suited. All these 410 sxs are IMO overpriced. I believe the Stoeger commands $550-600, which is nuts. The weakness/flaw in the Stoegers is blueing....im not even thinking it's true blueing, but whatever it is, they are prone to rust.
