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Wondering who else here on CGN owns/uses one of these..? Got talking to someone at my LGS today, and the subject of the Waltz die came up-he seemed surprised I knew what they were. Any accuracy improvement? I like mine for the hollow-point factor. :)
 
Better accuracy (sk match) compared to the same box not modified. I’m not sure. But with the hollow point on std velocity ammo (CCI) it sure works well. I wish we had ground hogs here. No regrets.
 
I read this article a couple years ago, and hoped to get a Paco Tool set 'sometime'. This thread brought that idea back to the front of the line, and now I can't find Paco's site. Does anyone know what happened? Is he out of bus or even passed away ? He's from Texas, where they're not doing well ? The gist of the article was that the Paco was the tool if you wanted consistent accuracy improvement for 'bulk ammo'. The others were for improving 'hunting impact' via HP or flat nose. You can do that with a drill or a file and save $200.
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SJAR - When did you buy it? His website is down- get a 404. I hadn't saved his contact info except the site. Maybe he's not well ? I'm interested in the variety of re-sizing dies, that Waltz and drock don't have. and I've read that waltz isn't responding a lot, too. and can't find drock either.
Lucky my rifles do OK, but better is better.
 
if any of you could get a group buy going I know a guy who might do some up

they would be 200-250 for a set of Neil waltz clones

JUST GUESSING AT THE COST,

tool and die maker with CNC equipment

rather than just approach a job shop get someone to do it up

with any shop saying they could make them I would first get one made, send it to the op and then and only then

develope a cost, take 50% deposits and get someone to hold them in trust

once made then pay the shop and collect the rest of the money

easy easy but you would need 20 - 30 to make it viable would think

does this help or hinder

AND NOT OFFERING TO TAKE THIS ON

Just suggesting it as an idea
 
SJAR - When did you buy it? His website is down- get a 404. I hadn't saved his contact info except the site. Maybe he's not well ? I'm interested in the variety of re-sizing dies, that Waltz and drock don't have. and I've read that waltz isn't responding a lot, too. and can't find drock either.
Lucky my rifles do OK, but better is better.

Spring 2018 $160 USD delivered.
 
I have one also Shipped direct. Used it for hollow points
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]This die set is available direct from Neal Waltz, 4105 Hyatt Avenue N.W., Massillon OH 44646-1435 Telephone: 330-837-4818. [/FONT]
 
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if any of you could get a group buy going I know a guy who might do some up

they would be 200-250 for a set of Neil waltz clones

JUST GUESSING AT THE COST,

tool and die maker with CNC equipment

rather than just approach a job shop get someone to do it up

with any shop saying they could make them I would first get one made, send it to the op and then and only then

develope a cost, take 50% deposits and get someone to hold them in trust

once made then pay the shop and collect the rest of the money

easy easy but you would need 20 - 30 to make it viable would think

does this help or hinder

AND NOT OFFERING TO TAKE THIS ON

Just suggesting it as an idea

Shell holder is pretty basic machining, and like as not, a couple bucks each, in thousand+ qty's, if ordered from a shop. Of course, it's not complicated machining, and you could do those easy enough yourself.

You can buy lapped Carbide drill bushings in various diameters and lengths, that would give you a solid, reliable, and accurately round bore. Install on a bored out old Die body. Drill press, and some bearing retainer compound. If it comes out some how, install a set screw or some pins.
These bushings can be ordered in custom sizes to very close tolerances, if you wanted, say, to customize a die for a particular barrel bore diameter.

You can buy hardened and ground Ejector Pins or Dowel pins for pennies each, and modify them to any end shape you want. Or get creative, regrinding 1/4 inch screwdriver bits, say.

Most of the work could be done with a mini-lathe and a Dremel tool. Add a milling slide and you are ready to cut the slots in the otherwise all turned shell holder,

7/8-14 Ready Rod (fully threaded 3 foot long sections of rod) are cheap and available. Saves threading the outside of the die body.

A fella could get all fancy-schmancy, and build a toggle lever feed for the forming pin, or even adapt the idea to a hand held tool like the old Ideal 310 tool, or even simpler, with a little thought.

If I ever get to feeling the need to own one, that's what I'd be looking to do.

I think a fella with some ambition could do OK with a little lathe, and likely be able to sell them at prices that would go a long ways towards paying down any additional tools he wanted.

The few pieces that I made on my own lathe for trade goods or sale, were very profitable!

Just floating some ideas out there...
 
I’ve often thought of trying one of these. Where did you get yours 22LR?
Wish we could get normal stuff up here.

Hey lpel-I ordered directly from Neal maybe 4-5 years ago. Didn't get any replies to my email, so I called him. Had a nice, but short chat. He is (was?) a retired tool and die maker, and only making these in small batches when the mood struck. (my words, not his) He was in no rush to crank them out, so you either had to wait..or you got lucky when you finally got a hold of him. (if he had a few spares) I remember sending him a US money order that covered shipping cost. I've called him a few times recently, no answer...and I think the # is no longer his.
 
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