2021 Ontario Moose draw rules, and Calfs..wierd situation

DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
I'm going to draw flak for this, but they should allow a group to use their accumulated points to draw an adult tag. ie: If four hunters have 7 points a piece then they get get a tag (assuming that 28 is the magic number) & fall back to zero the next season & the calf tags should go to 2 or more hunters who apply first or lottery. No points required. If there are any remaining tags left over in that WMU they could be dealt out to the single hunters... I haven't moose hunted in the last 10 years because of these goofy rules. I guess I'll stick to deer the next time out.

To the o.p.: Good luck getting a straight answer from the MNR. The last time I talk to someone there they didn't even no who the minster of natural resources was at the time...
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I would have no issue with a group combining points, but then they are out of the draw for 8- 10 years, so what's the point? If you apply for an area where there is higher # of tags, 7 points might get you a tag anyway.
 
Ok I am a bit confused about all of this. I know they were moving to a new system, but whats this about people having points already? How does that work?

Is this point system resident only? I have family in Ontario, would love to be able to go hunt moose there in a decade...
 
Suther said:
Ok I am a bit confused about all of this. I know they were moving to a new system, but whats this about people having points already? How does that work?

Is this point system resident only? I have family in Ontario, would love to be able to go hunt moose there in a decade...
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Points are resident only, non-residents would need to hunt through an outfitter.

For Ontario residents, they are granting you a point for every year you applied and did not receive a tag in the draw, back to the last time you were successful in the draw or 1993. Does not have to be consecutive years applying. You can log in to your account and see your moose points under the draw section.

So, anyone that has applied since 1993 and not got a tag would have 28 points.
 
blargon said:
Points are resident only, non-residents would need to hunt through an outfitter.

For Ontario residents, they are granting you a point for every year you applied and did not receive a tag in the draw, back to the last time you were successful in the draw or 1993. Does not have to be consecutive years applying. You can log in to your account and see your moose points under the draw section.

So, anyone that has applied since 1993 and not got a tag would have 28 points.
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Thanks for explaining it for me. Sucks for me, but if my province went to a point system I wouldn't want y'all in the draw either. lol

On the one hand it is nice that the new system isn't starting everyone at zero points, on the other hand I can't help but wonder how far behind the curve this will put new hunters - it will probably take a long time for all those with 2-28 points to get drawn first. In fact, due to point creep, this sounds like it could make someone starting at zero 30+ years to draw. Would be really interesting to see how the numbers work out - I wonder how many hunters have 15+ points compared to how many moose tags get given out each year...

Just for clarity sake, this is a preference point system not a bonus point system right? (With Preference if you've got the points you get the tag, with bonus you get additional entries in the draw but tags are never guaranteed)
 
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True that new hunters will take some time to get tags, but some guys have been waiting 3 decades for a tag. For those willing to travel to areas with more tags, they will come sooner. If you hold out for a tag in the southern wmu's, probably will never get one.
 
Does anyone know how many moose tags get given out each year?

https://www.ofah.org/wp-content/upl...ent-presentation-May182019-compressed-002.pdf

This seems to indicate in 2018 there were slightly over 90k moose hunting licenses bought in 2018 (with a peak of over 115k in 2000), and only 9493 tags given out. So assuming everyone who is currently in the system gets tags before anyone new hunters, (which I know is a flawed assumption due to different regions requiring different #s of points) its a minimum of 10 years before a new hunter even has a chance? Doesn't look good from a new hunter recruitment perspective. (And that makes an assumption that it was the same people buying moose licenses every year, so the number of people in the system is probably significantly higher than just the 90k who bought a license in 2018, and thus 10 years for a new hunter is probably a very optimistic number)
 
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number of tags varies with the WMU and is changed yearly, usually downward.

I think we will likely get the top 2-3 guys going for adult tags, just to get some coverage in the draw. Looks like you can return a tag and retain your points, if we were to draw too many (ha ha ha).
IIRC drawing in the first draw is the one that takes out your point total. If you draw in a subsequent draw, it doesn't. could be wrong on that.
 
I’m under the impression that if you don’t draw a tag on your first choice, but are awarded a tag on your second choice you keep your points. Maybe I’d have to apply for a rifle bull tag down south as my first choice and then apply for an archery bull tag up north as my second choice... when the time comes.
 
There is a significant number of people that won't buy a tag anymore, as they didn't hunt and would transfer the tag to someone else in their group. There are no more transfers. Also, there is a possibility of more adult tags with better control of calf hunting.
 
Swarf Surfer said:
Throwing another wrench into the gears for the oldies at moose camp, lovely. They just got over getting registered online.
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While I have sympathy for them, its 2021 and the world is online. Even hunting. Im doing everything I can to assist the elderly hunters who need help at my camp. They will learn, if forced too.

20 years ago my grandfather retired because his employer tried to make him use a computer. 5 years ago he swore up and down he'd never use a cell phone. But medical emergencies, and the communication benefits of a mobile device have changed his mind. He learned how to text. He learned how to video call. He now texts me all the time and its an aspect of communication with him that I enjoy and keeps him sharp moving forward.
 
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