Dealers Restricting powder and primmer sales?

[sillymike]

Must... refrain... from... making... Karen... joke...

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Seriously. You don't like the policy of a business. What should you do?
1) Shop elsewhere
2) Complain on the Internet

* Edit *
I personally wouldn't buy 2lb of powder... But that's just me.

 

[brapjack]

Must... refrain... from... making... Karen... joke...

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Seriously. You don't like the policy of a business. What should you do?
1) Shop elsewhere
2) Complain on the Internet

* Edit *
I personally wouldn't buy 2lb of powder... But that's just me.

Im all for liberty, let the Karren joke fly, i think this has gotten a little to serious lately anyways, a joke is likely what we all need...

 

[brapjack]

Great guys to deal with been hoarding for years lol think they are just trying to be fair

Id love to hear them chime in, or other dealers and her hear there perspective.

Im hearing a lot of they can do what they want because of free enterprise....but the people who want to buy it and sell it... well dont free enterprise like that.... and for the record im not trying to buy an 8 pound jug so i can rush home and re-bottle it in zip loc bags and sell it on the internet for 1000% mark up.... i wanna feed my 300 win that i use for long range target shooting. A pound gets burnt sometime in one trip to the range...

 

[StoneHorse]

I find the number of personal attacks and name calling of the OP appalling.
I believe the whole point and context of the message by the OP has been overlooked in favor of personal attack.

Personal attacks and name calling? There has been agree/disagree comments but that's it. People can always buy from the big retailers that never, to the best of my knowledge impose powder/primer limits. Or buy from the small mom & pop stores that may have a very limited supply, trying to keep ALL their local customers relatively happy.

Last Saturday, I watched one guy clean out Cabela's in Abbotsford for every last Federal match small rifle primers they had in stock, 5100 primers. I was looking for powder but they had next to zero stock with no idea when more was coming in. Bottom line, shop where you like, where and when you find stock and vote with your wallet.

 

[sillymike]

Im all for liberty, let the Karren joke fly, i think this has gotten a little to serious lately anyways, a joke is likely what we all need...

Maybe ask the store why they don't limit the number of primers based on the type of powder sold?

On a more serious note, I feel your pain.
- Don't know what someone is supposed to do with 2lbs of powder, unless someone is reloading pistol-plinking-load
- If you're going to pay hazmat fee, it wouldn't be worth it for 2lbs

 

[PWear 57]

Personal attacks and name calling? There has been agree/disagree comments but that's it.

Perhaps "innuendo" would have been a better choice. Still the context can be taken from some of the replies.

innuendo
noun [ C/U ]
US /ˌɪn·juˈen·doʊ/
plural innuendos or innuendoes

a remark that suggests something but does not refer to it directly, or this type of remark in general:

 

[eaglefirearmstisdale]

Just to clarify,

This policy was to reduce people hoarding and sending it to the States to flip. This wasn't about making money and it wasn't to "gouge" anyone. The supply has been spotty and suppliers won't give an ETA when we can get more powder and will only fill partial orders. I pitched the idea of a reverse bulk order to Don since I couldn't put a limit quantity on the site. Instead of raising the prices across the board, I thought it would be best to give a couple pounds of powder at a reasonable price to stop people from wiping out the inventory. We are a small retailer and our magazine is limited.

There was one person who cleared the shelves of a certain ammo, Don called the supplier to order more and he was told he wouldn’t get any till 2022. Are we suppose to sit all year with empty shelves?

We appreciate all your business and hope one day you understand.

Thank you for your time,

Justin

 

[mmcintyre1220]

In all honesty I do not feel sorry for anyone unless you are:
1) new to the sport
2) new to reloading
3) on a fixed income (retired only, don't feel sorry for system leaches)

Every single election year we run into this issue, especially when there is a chance democrats can get it. This year we also had COVID to contend with. If you payed the slightest bit of attention to the US you would realize the shelves were bare back in may/june 2020. In Canada our retailers were having sales on ammo, meanwhile the US was sold out. It was only a matter of time before the dry spell hit our nation. Most shooters were to naïve to see it coming and for the vendors clearing out ammo .... come on guys. now that they cant fill orders, I bet they feel foolish selling bulk 9mm for $220 a case eh

 

[Wiskey1]

Thats not for dealer to play the business police. They exist to buy and sell.
Dealer acting that way end up in my list of - never buy from them anything - ever.
We are supposed to be in a free country...free trade. There is enough restrictions on guns - no need for dealer that ask to be supported to shxit on customer that way.

I shoot 15000 rounds a year. If I buy two case of 5000 primers..I am hording ? This is BS.
What about group purchase ? My friends and I ordered powder were we could find it in quantity to cover our need.

Were will it stop ? Bullets -Ammo - only a box by client ? got two SKS -you can only buy one ? Got only one Ruger 1911 cannot sell it to you - only local guy ?
When you start playing with customers - you loose them.

Send a clear message - boycott dealer limiting your freedom and purchases.

listen to this horse####,if you didn't stock up a long time ago and now ##### you can't nuy large quantities,that's your own fault,we've all known this was coming,,and some of us stocked up BEFORE the shortage,this dealer is only trying to keep stock for more people to enjoy the sport,and if you think they're worried about loosing a few cry babies,good luck with that,if anything,they will GAIN customers,who appreciate their fairness,
if you didn't stock up last summer,,you missed the boat,and you'll be paying crazy money if you want to play from now on,any dealer who gets restocked on reloading supplies,is sold out within a day,and that's the new normal,along with new high prices,sign of the times now,

 

[brapjack]

Just to clarify,

This policy was to reduce people hoarding and sending it to the States to flip. This wasn't about making money and it wasn't to "gouge" anyone. The supply has been spotty and suppliers won't give an ETA when we can get more powder and will only fill partial orders. I pitched the idea of a reverse bulk order to Don since I couldn't put a limit quantity on the site. Instead of raising the prices across the board, I thought it would be best to give a couple pounds of powder at a reasonable price to stop people from wiping out the inventory. We are a small retailer and our magazine is limited.

There was one person who cleared the shelves of a certain ammo, Don called the supplier to order more and he was told he wouldn’t get any till 2022. Are we suppose to sit all year with empty shelves?

We appreciate all your business and hope one day you understand.

Thank you for your time,

Justin

Thank you for your response. I understand what you're trying to do, and it looks like you are receiving a lot of support for it... I, unfortunately, disagree with the quantities that are considered reasonable for the reasons I had stated. I hope all this non-sense passes quickly and we can get back to the range soon, maskless, and with our ammo cans full.

Cheers

 

[eaglefirearmstisdale]

Thank you for your response. I understand what you're trying to do, and it looks like you are receiving a lot of support for it... I, unfortunately, disagree with the quantities that are considered reasonable for the reasons I had stated. I hope all this non-sense passes quickly and we can get back to the range soon, maskless, and with our ammo cans full.

Cheers

I agree, two pounds is low. I reload and can use that in one reloading session. I admit, this was a knee jerk reaction when we saw the exporter's address. We should have let cooler heads prevail. I have deleted the reverse bulk deal because people were understandably confused and calling the store. Now you can purchase more than 2 pounds per type.

-Justin

 

[Janeau]

listen to this horse####,if you didn't stock up a long time ago and now ##### you can't nuy large quantities,that's your own fault,we've all known this was coming,,and some of us stocked up BEFORE the shortage,this dealer is only trying to keep stock for more people to enjoy the sport,and if you think they're worried about loosing a few cry babies,good luck with that,if anything,they will GAIN customers,who appreciate their fairness,
if you didn't stock up last summer,,you missed the boat,and you'll be paying crazy money if you want to play from now on,any dealer who gets restocked on reloading supplies,is sold out within a day,and that's the new normal,along with new high prices,sign of the times now,

Wiskey1, You are drinking too much... It’s my fault if I do not stock up - I should have seen it comming according to YOU, but it’s ok for dealer to limit purchase, so folks who have seen nothing of the shortage coming and want to enjoy the sport, should be able to get some..boatload of horsesxhit.

Because YOU stocked up ahead without limits, it’s ok now, that dealers limit purchase of others. Not YOU, but limit other it is OK..thats your ideas of fairness..It stink big time.

Been at that game long enough to get most of my supply ahead.
It’s not the first time there is shortage..but limiting is new.

We do group buy and I also buy my stuff individually by the case each time it’s possible. Not buying to pawn it, but to shoot it.
The dealers we and I am doing business with, are more than glad to see bulk order come in. Been doing that for years...not a change of behaviour to hoard stuff.

If a dealer sell on the internet to all from Coast to Coast - then limits is just not right.If you think a dealer will gain clients by limiting powder or primer purchase to two of each, you are not leaving in the same world as most of us do. Web buyer shop around to find the best price - service and to buy what he need. I have yet to see a web shopping cart with ‘fairness’.

It make no sense to buy two pounds of powder and pay shipping fees and have to make multiple order to different dealers to obtain the quantity needed, unless thats all you need - two pounds.

I have yet to find a dealer that would not gladly sell 5 case of 5000 primers than a few thousand there and there.
Same with powder. I burn over a 100 pounds of powder a year....( 2 pounds every week about) and add case and bullets. This is only me, add my group ‘buddies purchases. Not heard of a dealer complaining.

A small shop that sell only local, bulk of clients are walk in, It may make sense to limit the quantity of some scarce stuff.
But when you open your store doors to all on the web, it’s another matter.

 

[Vewdu]

Thats not for dealer to play the business police. They exist to buy and sell.
Dealer acting that way end up in my list of - never buy from them anything - ever.
We are supposed to be in a free country...free trade. There is enough restrictions on guns - no need for dealer that ask to be supported to shxit on customer that way.

I shoot 15000 rounds a year. If I buy two case of 5000 primers..I am hording ? This is BS.
What about group purchase ? My friends and I ordered powder were we could find it in quantity to cover our need.

Were will it stop ? Bullets -Ammo - only a box by client ? got two SKS -you can only buy one ? Got only one Ruger 1911 cannot sell it to you - only local guy ?
When you start playing with customers - you loose them.

Send a clear message - boycott dealer limiting your freedom and purchases.

If you shoot 15000 rounds a year, you should have had the foresight last year to buy as much as you would need/can afford for the next few years. This was eventually going to catch up to us, especially when it was explicitly said all last summer that the US itself was having a hard time keeping up with demand. Bigger problems at hand if you can't see the obvious coming.

Like any other point in history, whether it be gas, food, supplies, anything with a high demand and short supply, there is going to be rationing.

Hats off to Eagle for being one of the few decent businesses that are trying to make sure people get a fair shake at things. People flipping this stuff and re-exporting to the US are the very bane of this community and the sport. Wonder how many of them make sure to bang that "Donate to the CCFR" drum while they bend the community over.

 

[madcow]

You cannot export any primers/powder down south without an export permit legally. If someone is doing so, they are taking a big chance.

 

[eaglefirearmstisdale]

A small shop that sell only local, that limit it’s sale to walk in client..It may make sense to limit the quantity since their client base are local folks. But when you open your store doors to all on the web, it’s another matter.

The local guys like to check out the inventory before coming. Some drive 1+ hour to get here. Also some people like to order online then pick it up, I think due to Covid.

-Justin

 

[Janeau]

If you shoot 15000 rounds a year, you should have had the foresight last year to buy as much as you would need/can afford for the next few years. This was eventually going to catch up to us, especially when it was explicitly said all last summer that the US itself was having a hard time keeping up with demand. Bigger problems at hand if you can't see the obvious coming.

When you shoot a lot, you think and buy ahead, all the time, year around.
Everything ordered was delivered, in the quantity that was avail so far. It cost more because the components have to be sourced at different place these days.

Planning is not just for components..barrels..triggers..gunsmith ..it’s ongoing.

 

[Janeau]

The local guys like to check out the inventory before coming. Some drive 1+ hour to get here. Also some people like to order online then pick it up, I think due to Covid.

-Justin

Justin,

I live at 5 minutes from a major reloading store.They sell online all across Canada.
I can order online and can pick up it up.

But I have no preferred status when it’s time to buy. A guy in BC or Alberta is treated like me, fairly.
He order first, pay for it and he get it. If none left, I shop at other store until I find what I need.
There is no limitation imposed on any goods. They do not hold inventory for local buyer.
And I can go on with other dealers here on CGN who do exactly that.

Group buying - 4-5 + guys ordering and sharing shipping cost, or large order, is the way to go in my view.


It is your store and you deal with it the way you see fit.
I just do not see things like you.
All the best.

 

[Wiskey1]

Justin,

I live at 5 minutes from a major reloading store.They sell online all across Canada.
I can order online and can pick up it up.

But I have no preferred status when it’s time to buy. A guy in BC or Alberta is treated like me, fairly.
He order first, pay for it and he get it. If none left, I shop at other store until I find what I need.
There is no limitation imposed on any goods. They do not hold inventory for local buyer.
And I can go on with other dealers here on CGN who do exactly that.

Group buying - 4-5 + guys ordering and sharing shipping cost, or large order, is the way to go in my view.


It is your store and you deal with it the way you see fit.
I just do not see things like you.
All the best.

well if you're such a big shooter,,why is it that you have no stock,if you shoot as much as you say you do,you should be buying in much larger lots,it's not like anybody didn't see this #### coming,as for dealers restricting purchase,good for them for trying to keep a little supply so more people can keep enjoying the hobby,notice that real high volume shooters aren't on here complaining,

 

[Wiskey1]

Wiskey1, You are drinking too much... It’s my fault if I do not stock up - I should have seen it comming according to YOU, but it’s ok for dealer to limit purchase, so folks who have seen nothing of the shortage coming and want to enjoy the sport, should be able to get some..boatload of horsesxhit.

Because YOU stocked up ahead without limits, it’s ok now, that dealers limit purchase of others. Not YOU, but limit other it is OK..thats your ideas of fairness..It stink big time.

Been at that game long enough to get most of my supply ahead.
It’s not the first time there is shortage..but limiting is new.

We do group buy and I also buy my stuff individually by the case each time it’s possible. Not buying to pawn it, but to shoot it.
The dealers we and I am doing business with, are more than glad to see bulk order come in. Been doing that for years...not a change of behaviour to hoard stuff.

If a dealer sell on the internet to all from Coast to Coast - then limits is just not right.If you think a dealer will gain clients by limiting powder or primer purchase to two of each, you are not leaving in the same world as most of us do. Web buyer shop around to find the best price - service and to buy what he need. I have yet to see a web shopping cart with ‘fairness’.

It make no sense to buy two pounds of powder and pay shipping fees and have to make multiple order to different dealers to obtain the quantity needed, unless thats all you need - two pounds.

I have yet to find a dealer that would not gladly sell 5 case of 5000 primers than a few thousand there and there.
Same with powder. I burn over a 100 pounds of powder a year....( 2 pounds every week about) and add case and bullets. This is only me, add my group ‘buddies purchases. Not heard of a dealer complaining.

A small shop that sell only local, bulk of clients are walk in, It may make sense to limit the quantity of some scarce stuff.
But when you open your store doors to all on the web, it’s another matter.

you burn 100 pounds of powder a year,,yet you have NONE now,sorry if i doubt your statement,LOL
you realize 100 pounds is about 70,000 rounds,right?/ LOL

 

[zombieprepping]

Happens all the time when butter goes on sale at Shoppers. Mmm butter...