30-06 150gr nosler partition ....

[DGY]

Good day all!
I just got my hands on a box of NP 150 gr and the plan was to create a load for one of my 30-06 for my wife and daughter to use without too much recoil but enough energy for caribou and sheep to about 150m and in the future increase the load slowly so they get use to more and more recoil and be able to eventually use the same rifle with enough bullet weigh and energy for moose!!
Anyway long story snort I have these powders, RL-19, IMR4064, IMR4166 and H4895. From what I can see in my Lee reloading manual, the mildest load is with RL-19 with a starting load of 54.6gr at 2427fps up to a max of 62gr at 2722fps.... now to figure out recoil according to those numbers...
What else do I need to take in consideration?

 

[leveractionjunkie]

If you have H4895 I think that’s what I would use. Find the max oad for 150gr cup and core bullets. You can take that and then use the 4895 reduced charge formula here

https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/h4895-reduced-rifle-loads.pdf

Somewhere in that range will be a nice mild recoiling round

 

[Suther]

H4895 can be loaded down to as little as 60%. Take the max load in your book, times it by 0.6, and that's your minimum starting load. Work up from there with a chronograph until you hit a velocity and accuracy combo you like.

Edit - what he said. ^ lol

As an aside, the Nosler load data for RL19 states a max of 61.5gr for 2982 from a 24" barrel.
https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/30-06-springfield/

 

[DGY]

Ok ok sounds pretty good, I will look that up... so that RL-19 is useless lol?

 

[Suther]

Ok ok sounds pretty good, I will look that up... so that RL-19 is useless lol?

Not useless. You could use it if does what you're looking for (in an ideal world did you have a target velocity to start them at?), But you can go even lower with the 4895.

Here's a big table of the recoil generated by most common cartridges:https://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Now Google a recoil calculator and get to punching in numbers. They'll usually want velocity, rifle weight, bullet weight, and charge weight. You can use the table in two ways, either compare your results to the table to see what your load is similar to, or pick an amount of recoil based on a cartridge from the table as your goal and adjust the velocity in the calculator until you get close to the recoil of your chosen goal.

 

[Windknot]

I use 47.0 gn IMR 4895 and 150 Hornady SSTs for around 2700 fps. Sub MOA in my wife's Tikka, poleaxed a whitetail last fall. NP should be similar, possibly better.

 

[nowarningshot]

Light pills like that would open some faster powder than typical for.06. Thinking.4895, 3031, certainly even Varget would be middle burn rate. Chance to burn up.some unused shelf decorating powder. Apparently I have too many magnum rifles.

 

[DGY]

Sweet thanks!

Not useless. You could use it if does what you're looking for (in an ideal world did you have a target velocity to start them at?), But you can go even lower with the 4895.

Here's a big table of the recoil generated by most common cartridges:https://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Now Google a recoil calculator and get to punching in numbers. They'll usually want velocity, rifle weight, bullet weight, and charge weight. You can use the table in two ways, either compare your results to the table to see what your load is similar to, or pick an amount of recoil based on a cartridge from the table as your goal and adjust the velocity in the calculator until you get close to the recoil of your chosen goal.

 

[DGY]

Light pills like that would open some faster powder than typical for.06. Thinking.4895, 3031, certainly even Varget would be middle burn rate. Chance to burn up.some unused shelf decorating powder. Apparently I have too many magnum rifles.

Hahaha I’m new to reloading and started right in the heart of covid so I don’t have much for shelf decorating components... and plus the two calibers I have are 30-06 and 9.3x62 they use similar powders!

 

[john-brennan]

Reduced loads with either H4895 or IMR4895 I have used both reduced by 40% of max loads

 

[jethunter]

Online recoil calculator here: http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmrecoil-5.1.cgi

Start them on 22 rimfire if you can. And get some cheaper lighter bullets for practise, Partitions are expensive so save them for hunting.

 

[DGY]

Online recoil calculator here: http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmrecoil-5.1.cgi

Start them on 22 rimfire if you can. And get some cheaper lighter bullets for practise, Partitions are expensive so save them for hunting.

Thanks for the link! They already shot 22 and my wife shot a few caribou with premium 180gr factory ammo, but she doesn’t to practice cause the recoil is too much! As for my daughter she’s 13 and I don’t sa there to develop bad habits!

 

[jethunter]

H4895 max load, multiplied by 0.6 = minimum powder charge.

For instance: if the maximum 30-06 load of H4895/150gr bullet is 50gr, then 50 x 0.6 = 30 grains.

Here are some approximate velocity and recoil calculations for 30-06 using H4895 and 150gr bullet:

35gr = 2000 fps, recoil 9 ft lbs
40gr = 2250 fps, recoil 11.5 ft lbs
45gr = 2500 fps, recoil 14.5 ft lbs
50gr = 2750 fps, recoil 18 ft lbs​

Notice that increasing the charge weight from 35gr to 50gr makes a 40% increase in velocity, and a 100% increase in recoil.

Think I would start at 40gr and see how it shoots.
2250 fps is 30-30 ballistics, should be ok for caribou to 150 yds.

 

[leveractionjunkie]

H4895 max load, multiplied by 0.6 = minimum powder charge.

For instance: if the maximum 30-06 load of H4895/150gr bullet is 50gr, then 50 x 0.6 = 30 grains.

Here are some approximate velocity and recoil calculations for 30-06 using H4895 and 150gr bullet:

35gr = 2000 fps, recoil 9 ft lbs
40gr = 2250 fps, recoil 11.5 ft lbs
45gr = 2500 fps, recoil 14.5 ft lbs
50gr = 2750 fps, recoil 18 ft lbs​

Notice that increasing the charge weight from 35gr to 50gr makes a 40% increase in velocity, and a 100% increase in recoil.

Think I would start at 40gr and see how it shoots.
2250 fps is 30-30 ballistics, should be ok for caribou to 150 yds.

^^^100% This^^^

 

[boxhitch]

Premium bullets in 150 gr should be fine for moose and caribou, the big benefit of using monometals is the effect with lighter pills.
Every T D & H says that weight in .257 or .284 is fine, why not .308

 

[DGY]

That is awesome, I came up with really similar numbers on my side! I think 40gr would be a great place to start and I’d like to keep
It under 15ftlbs of recoils!!
Thanks for the info!

H4895 max load, multiplied by 0.6 = minimum powder charge.

For instance: if the maximum 30-06 load of H4895/150gr bullet is 50gr, then 50 x 0.6 = 30 grains.

Here are some approximate velocity and recoil calculations for 30-06 using H4895 and 150gr bullet:

35gr = 2000 fps, recoil 9 ft lbs
40gr = 2250 fps, recoil 11.5 ft lbs
45gr = 2500 fps, recoil 14.5 ft lbs
50gr = 2750 fps, recoil 18 ft lbs​

Notice that increasing the charge weight from 35gr to 50gr makes a 40% increase in velocity, and a 100% increase in recoil.

Think I would start at 40gr and see how it shoots.
2250 fps is 30-30 ballistics, should be ok for caribou to 150 yds.

 

[BigUglyMan]

Pretty sure that the old man started my brother off with 150gr Partitions and 760 powder.

 

[Ganderite]

40 gr would be a light recoil. I used a load similar tot hat for my son when he was 10.

That load is similar to a 30-30. My grandfather shot 52 moose with his 30-30. Only one needed a second shot. He was a good shot.

Shot placement is 95% of the result. If wife can be picky about the shot she takes, she could moose hunt with 40 gr. At 45 she is shooting a 308 load.