Recommend me scope for a PRS style .22lr rifle
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as a newb to precision shooting in general, no competing, I read your various arguments and have a question.
would these issues, such as FOV, ffp vs sfp etc. be "much" of an issue for someone new to the sport? Or is it something that more advanced shooters would notice and appreciate? Is it only an issue once you get past a certain distance/range?
would these issues, such as FOV, ffp vs sfp etc. be "much" of an issue for someone new to the sport? Or is it something that more advanced shooters would notice and appreciate? Is it only an issue once you get past a certain distance/range?
As a newer shooter, and I'm making the assumption that you are getting into PRS type shooting, SFP would do you a huge disservice. Go with FFP.
With an SFP scope, the subtensions on a reticle are only accurate on one specific magnification. Go above or below that, and your subtensions now mean something different. This means your wind holds change, and your holdovers change. There's already enough to think about behind the rifle, and if you are doing math in your head before pulling the trigger, then you are doing it wrong. An SFP scope will provide little to no value, and adds another component of something that can go wrong during a stage. There's no need to make things more complicated and introduce more potential for failures.
You want a scope that has good tracking, a reticle that works best for you (subjective, you will have to figure out your personal preferences), optical quality (all the top scopes these days are good in this manner), FFP, a big FOV is always good, etc.
Rather then trying to explore for yourself what works and what doesn't work, have a look around at what others are using. Here's a list of the most popular scopes being used in PRS: https://precisionrifleblog.com/2018/12/21/best-scope/
Also, go to a match and when it's slow, ask your fellow competitors if you can look through their glass. I've never bought a high end optic without looking through one at a match first.
At the bigger matches there will be demo guns and sales reps. Ask the guys with the logos on their shirts, that's what they're there for!
At the bigger matches there will be demo guns and sales reps. Ask the guys with the logos on their shirts, that's what they're there for!
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Don’t listen to maple57 about PRS. Then you should be good.
As a new shooter you should follow the leader... Great advice... 20 years ago the leader ran a 308... then 6.5-284, then .284 then 6.5 Creed, then 6 creed, then 6 dasher, then 6BR
10 rifles later all the follow the leader guys have spent their retirement on relics while waiting for the status quo to get their act together so they can stop upgrading or chasing the new shiny.
Better to have vision.
95 percent of guys on any forum would not score 3 points better regardless of the gear they use. The hero's out there defend their egos if you don't agree with them because they cant accept even the possibility of them being less than ideal, or even the possibility that anything else may be interchangeable. The old classic line... There's two ways to do anything... The WRONG Way or MY WAY.
Knowing how to shoot is more important that what you use to shoot.
If your goal is 3 MOA and you can do it standing on your head, then good for you. Rock on guys.
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oh man.
you guys are getting caustic with your attacks on each other.
As an old fart but newb precision shooter, I will listen to everyones advice and give it an honest chance to see if it improves my skills or not.
But the way you're trading barbs between disciplines is detracting from initial good question of the OP. This kind of infighting just divides the sport as a whole.
Cant we all just get along....
you guys are getting caustic with your attacks on each other.
As an old fart but newb precision shooter, I will listen to everyones advice and give it an honest chance to see if it improves my skills or not.
But the way you're trading barbs between disciplines is detracting from initial good question of the OP. This kind of infighting just divides the sport as a whole.
Cant we all just get along....
So in your mind, "having vision" is following the advice of a guy with limited PRS experience, none of which is outside Canada and who doesn't perform at a high level while discounting what high level and experienced shooters use and suggest? Am I getting that right?
You like your SFP setup and it "works" for you, as far as you're concerned, we've covered that, that's great. You also think that .223 is the ticket for PRS matches and advocate a bipod that you stake into the ground. No one is trying to talk you into changing your ways. Through whatever path you've followed, you've come to the conclusion that your method is ok for you and that's fantastic.
People are however taking exception to you pushing new shooters to also follow your method which is, to be blunt, steering them astray, while claiming that everyone else is wrong. There is a reason that there is an orthodoxy (which will always evolve over time) and that is because it is currently the best compromise for most. All of your arguments about people not being open-minded and all that really just reflect back on you as you are seemingly unable to grasp that the fact that your method "works" for you, within the very specific parameters you've set for yourself, doesn't mean it will work for others.
Knowing how to shoot is always going to be more important than what gear you use, a good shooter can and will adapt. In the case of 2 shooters of equal skill pitted against each, equipment will make a difference. This circles back to the whole point of this thread, which was to suggest a good optic for a guy getting into PRS-type shooting. No one here is trying to tell someone who has a SFP scope not to come out and play but are instead suggesting appropriate optics to purchase in order to get started,ie steering someone in the right direction to be successful from the get go.
I have never shot PRS....yet. I would follow the leader on the equipment used over the last 3 years ish. Then make changes as need be. A scope can always be sold. I got my first FFP scope for my hunting/target rifle. Still getting used to it, I thought it was a risk, but it actually is not at all. I tend to shoot it between 12-20x, and because I will use it hunting, I got illumination, for 4.5X at low light.
I agree that illumination is a huge benefit for low mag on a "crossover" scope. All my hunting scopes are FFP now and having illumination more or less negates the effects of FFP at low magnification.
So, I managed to get out to the range today with the Midas Tac 5-25x50 and here are some additional
impressions.
Good:
- The turret clicks are very nice and the hash marks line up perfectly.
- The reticle thickness is perfect (thinner than my Bushnell G3 reticle)
- The center aiming dot is a nice touch
- The field of view is excellent
- This scope brings out mirage better than anything else I’ve ever looked through. Reading mirage was no problem whatsoever whereas is the my Bushnell DMRII took a little bit of work.
The Bad:
- The scope seems to have really long eye relief and I just can’t seem to get comfortable behind it. It’s mounted pretty much as far forward as possible and I’ve added a spacer to the butt pad but I’m still struggling a bit when prone to get all the black out of the scope.
- The scope can read mirage very well but just isn’t as clear as my Bushnell LRHS or DMRII. It seemed just tad foggier somehow.
- The parallax adjusts to quite short ranges, which is the only reason I bought the scope, but hits infinity at 600yrds. I know I won’t be shooting my .22lr to 600 yards but if I had bought this for a different rifle I would be frustrated that focus gets finicky at greater ranges.
In conclusion, I’ll need more time to see how I feel about the scope.
impressions.
Good:
- The turret clicks are very nice and the hash marks line up perfectly.
- The reticle thickness is perfect (thinner than my Bushnell G3 reticle)
- The center aiming dot is a nice touch
- The field of view is excellent
- This scope brings out mirage better than anything else I’ve ever looked through. Reading mirage was no problem whatsoever whereas is the my Bushnell DMRII took a little bit of work.
The Bad:
- The scope seems to have really long eye relief and I just can’t seem to get comfortable behind it. It’s mounted pretty much as far forward as possible and I’ve added a spacer to the butt pad but I’m still struggling a bit when prone to get all the black out of the scope.
- The scope can read mirage very well but just isn’t as clear as my Bushnell LRHS or DMRII. It seemed just tad foggier somehow.
- The parallax adjusts to quite short ranges, which is the only reason I bought the scope, but hits infinity at 600yrds. I know I won’t be shooting my .22lr to 600 yards but if I had bought this for a different rifle I would be frustrated that focus gets finicky at greater ranges.
In conclusion, I’ll need more time to see how I feel about the scope.
Pretty sure it is a 5-25x56.
My bad. You are correct.
Thats weird about your eye relief issue. I have 2 of the Midas Tac's, 1 on a KRG bravo, the other on an MDT XRS. I had no issues setting them up for proper eye relief. I have 2 spacers and the toolless adjustment kit on my bravo for LOP reference.
