1944 Long Branch Bolt force match re punched or not?

Well then I am certain that the 3 on your receiver are the same font as the ones on your bolt.
Mine are not.
Plus It is easy to see by the pictures I provided that the serial number on my bolt are punched over previous serial numbers.
That makes it a force match, not a match.
This isn't the bolt that was issued with the rifle.

You made up your mind long ago.

So far you had enough time to post pictures of the bolt handle and to post a video of a "dragging" bolt, but you are unwilling to post important pictures of ALL the markings from the rest of your rifle.

This should explain everything.
 
Force matching is quite common and does not change the status from number matching to non number matching. End of story.

You have to agree it may change collector value, depending on the collector of course. I have a 1915 Lithgow that is 'bolt/receiver' matching but only after two previous bolt serials (still there) have been struck through, one on the bottom of the handle. I love it more because of that.
 
Prior serials being lined out, and new numbers stamped was a standard armourer practice. It is hardly the same as me doing it in my shop.

I just blasted and parked a No. 4 receiver and bolt. Have a brand new barrel on hand. I think I'll set up a rifle, restamp everything and offer it as an all matching refurbished to new rifle.
 
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Prior serials being lined out, and new numbers stamped was a standard armourer practice. It is hardly the same as me doing it in my shop.

I just blasted and parked a No. 4 receiver and bolt. Have a brand new barrel on hand. I think I'll set up a rifle, restamp everything and offer it as an all matching refurbished to new rifle.


First there was 'Mitchell's Mausers', now coming to you in 2021 are 'Tiriaq's Enfields' LOL. Make sure you remove all finish and paint them with a gloss black.
 
I did some research on the Internet and just ignore jtaylor's insult. I am not into Enfields anymore but used to own quite a few of them back in the day. I do not think that we have enough evidence here to call it a fraud. The way the numbers are punched in are quite typical, especially for a refurb. I do not think that this is the original bolt to the gun, otherwise the font would match and no overpunch would be seen. You still owe us the pictures of the receiver btw - any problems here or is the 3 round as well??? Force matching is quite common and does not change the status from number matching to non number matching. End of story.

I added picture of the serial on the receiver in the album.

http://photos.app.goo.gl/ixa5WX5czWGbpNrb8
 
You have to agree it may change collector value, depending on the collector of course. I have a 1915 Lithgow that is 'bolt/receiver' matching but only after two previous bolt serials (still there) have been struck through, one on the bottom of the handle. I love it more because of that.

Now if you were to sell that rifle, wouldn't you feel obligated to disclose that information to your potential buyers?
I know I would....
Full disclosure is good practice.
To omit or hide important details is a shady practice.
 
Sticky bolt - is the locking lug contacting the sear? Try sliding the bolt forward with the trigger pulled.
 
What is original? For as old as these rifles are and how many times they went through FTR to get all original parts from when they left the factory is not the normal. I have Fazakerly that was FTR’d by Fazakerly with all parts matching,even the bolt head has the proper serial number. Every part is correct to that rifle. The stock matches the FTR date. I have had two collectors offer to buy it.
The rifle is a rebuild. You can not tell that it didn’t leave Fazakerly as it is. Everything matches perfectly. So what is original and what is not ? A loaded question with many different answers.
I know I could sell that gun as original all parts matching original issue and FTR.
 
I did some research on the Internet and just ignore jtaylor's insult. I am not into Enfields anymore but used to own quite a few of them back in the day. I do not think that we have enough evidence here to call it a fraud. The way the numbers are punched in are quite typical, especially for a refurb. I do not think that this is the original bolt to the gun, otherwise the font would match and no overpunch would be seen. You still owe us the pictures of the receiver btw - any problems here or is the 3 round as well??? Force matching is quite common and does not change the status from number matching to non number matching. End of story.

I wouldn't go as far as to call it fraud as I do not believe the seller is the one who punched the bolt to match the receiver.
However I feel like it should of been disclosed that the bolt had been repunched as it is obvious that it doesn't bare its original serial number.
If I had listed that rifle for sale, the bolt been force matches would of been part of my description.
A good, honest seller discloses the flaw of what he sells as much as he describes it's positive side.
That is only my opinion.
But I read all these comments, especially the one saying that he will repunch an Enfield, repaint it and sell it as a matching rifle and I realise the we are not all honest to the same degree.
 
Interesting comment in Snider shooter's post about even the bolt head being serial numbered to match.
I don't think I have ever seen a Lee Enfield with a serial numbered bolt head.
 
What is original? For as old as these rifles are and how many times they went through FTR to get all original parts from when they left the factory is not the normal. I have Fazakerly that was FTR’d by Fazakerly with all parts matching,even the bolt head has the proper serial number. Every part is correct to that rifle. The stock matches the FTR date. I have had two collectors offer to buy it.
The rifle is a rebuild. You can not tell that it didn’t leave Fazakerly as it is. Everything matches perfectly. So what is original and what is not ? A loaded question with many different answers.
I know I could sell that gun as original all parts matching original issue and FTR.

We are not talking about a barrel band or a screw here, we are talking about the basic of a firearm bolt and receiver.
I should of asked more specific questions and should of requested detailed pictures.
Next time, I will.
At the end of the day, I learned a valuable lesson.
 
I have a brand new Fazakerley No.4mk2 Irish Contract in my collection, never been fired (other than the factory test)
And I can confirm that there is no such thing as a serial number on it.(bolt head)
 
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Interesting comment in Snider shooter's post about even the bolt head being serial numbered to match.
I don't think I have ever seen a Lee Enfield with a serial numbered bolt head.

Sorry I forgot to respond with quote....

I have a brand new Fazakerley No.4mk2 Irish Contract in my collection, never been fired (other than the factory test)
And I can confirm that there is no such thing as a serial number on it.(bolt head)
 
Hi Dave. The serial fonts on the bolt are improper for a 1944 Long Branch. The file/grinding lines evident are also a dead giveaway as to change.
As you can tell by your replys at least half the guys on this site only guess. They just do not have enough exposure to the real deal to make any kind of judgement. Chances are the seller is in this bottom half. If not then he can take a hit on his feedback unless he makes amends some way. Check your head space out too before firing as is always good practise with a composite rifle. JOHN

Smart, objective and educated answer.
Thank you.
When I hear matching bolt and receiver I "assume" that the bolt is the actual bolt that was issued with the receiver.
Anything else isn't a match, but a force match.
But I will never "assume" again.
 
When these rifles were built and refurbished at any level the bolts were all hand fit then serialed to their receiver to ensure they stayed together.
Your bolt serial certainly shows a different font but looks professionally done.
The only way to be sure your bolt matches is to check the fitment to the receiver. Check your lug contact, if they bear evenly then your probably dealing with a matching bolt.
It might not be 1944 matching, but it is matching.

Also, your bolt is dragging on your sear, that's not a bolt issue.
 
Are all your bands, safety mechanism, trigger guard and bolt head, just to name a few without out removing the stock, bearing correct stamps?
Or are we just arguing the validity of the serial font on the bolt handle?
 
If you collect Lee Enfields long enough you'll come to know that there is a lot about original finishes, etc, that remains unknown, even to the high end collectors. There is actually one manufacturer of No. 4's that is known to have used a different stamp font on receiver and bolt at time of original manufacture. That manufacturer is not Long Branch. Long Branch also didn't make an obvious "FTR" type stamp on refurbed rifles. However, I've seen a few probable refurbished rifles from Long Branch that utilized a font somewhat similar to the rifle in question on bolt and/or receiver. The rifle may well be a proper arsenal overhauled rifle but good luck confirming that. To be sure a No. 4 is demonstrably "factory original matching" requires a bunch of photos and knowledge of whether a particular factory stamped the serial on items like the barrel shank and on the wood, under the forend tip, what the original bluing (or other finish) looked like, etc. Often when you have a rifle you think to be all original, if you put together a detailed photo post on a major forum, you'll get a lot of feedback and, usually, some surprises. As someone pointed out above, these rifles have generally been through some sort of repair or refurbishment. There are some excellent condition, non-refurbished Long Branches out there- I once owned a '43 that I was 98.5% convinced was all original. However, some of the more original pieces I've stumbled upon were heavily used and never refurbished. I have a '42 Maltby that has original barrel and bolt but the wood, while it looks appropriate in condition, is un-numbered. Did Maltby number their forends in '42? No clue! I have a '41 Maltby that does have matching numbered forend but the whole rifle has the appearance of an FTR but no "FTR" stamp. I guess my point is that there is no alternative to demanding piles of photos and reaching your own (possibly) incorrect conclusion about a specific rifle.

milsurpo
 
Now if you were to sell that rifle, wouldn't you feel obligated to disclose that information to your potential buyers?
I know I would....
Full disclosure is good practice.
To omit or hide important details is a shady practice.

Yes. I would always fully disclose. I like my trader rating.
 
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