Pattern my 12ga and 20ga for turkey pic heavy!

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Hey guys,
I have been patterning my 12ga (H&R Pardner Pump with Carlson TSS turkey choke and a reddot sight) as well as my 20ga (Charles Daly 601 semi-auto, with Carlson TSS turkey choke, bead sight only) in the last few weekends. Now I understand why people use targets that highlights hits ;-) Oh, and I ordered a new recoil pad (Limbsaver).

Tried plenty of different types of ammo. Also noticed that it's much harder to be consistent with a bead sight (as is the case in my 20ga).

Quick question: Do you guys count the number of shot that made it into the head, the ones in the orange circle or just the ones that hit vital areas (on my targets, that would correspond to neck bones and brain)? I've used the latter and I specifically didn't count any pellets that weren't in bones (even if just 1mm away).

On some targets, I circled the shots with a black felt marker, but on some I highlighted them with a pink sharpie. It was great to ensure I didn't count any holes twice, but not that great looking on camera unfortunately.

12 GA (at least 20, 30 and some at 40 and 50 yards)

Remington Nitro, 12ga 3", 1 7/8oz #4 (purple number is the shot count number that is deadly)
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Challenger, 12ga 3", 2oz #5 (purple number is the shot count number that is deadly)
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Winchester Longbeard XR, 12ga 3", 1 3/4oz, #5
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40 yards (10 hits) and 50 yards (3 hits)
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Federal 3rd degree, 12ga 3", 1 3/4oz, #5-6-7
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40 yards (6 hits) and 50 yards (3 hits)
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Winchester Turkey: 12ga, 2 3/4", 1 1/2oz, #5
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And now the 20ga (at first, I was shooting a bit left and low, had to adjust how I did my cheek weld to the buttstock):
Remington Magnum Turkey 20ga: 3", 1 1/4oz, #6
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Remington Premier Magnum 20ga: 3", 1 1/4oz, #6
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Kent TK7 TSS: 20ga, 3", 1 3/8oz, #7
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David
 
Interested in what the hit counts were for the 20g. Can't see it posted on the targets

I noticed that you cannot zoom / click on the pictures to see a bigger pictures ;-/

Here are the deadly shot count (20/30/40 yards):
Remington Magnum Turkey 20ga: 3", 1 1/4oz, #6: 28/9/2
Remington Premier Magnum 20ga: 3", 1 1/4oz, #6: 26/9/3
Kent TK7 TSS: 20ga, 3", 1 3/8oz, #7: 37/17/4

You can go here if you want to see all the pictures (full res): https://photos.app.goo.gl/TaPXWBZecyFJPR6N6

Cheers and happy hunting!
David

Edit: Note that I only count the shots in the bones and brain. In some cases, there are other shots that are real close (a few mm) to the bones and brain that aren't counted as "deadly". I might go ahead and recount all of them when I have a few moments.
 
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Buy a Long beard choke and long beard shot in 3 ". The products you are shooting are not that good. At 20 yards it will smash your circle on the target....
 
Buy a Long beard choke and long beard shot in 3 ". The products you are shooting are not that good. At 20 yards it will smash your circle on the target....

Eh? One of the brands I've shot was LongBeards (in 12ga 3"). That one as well as the Federal 3rd were the better performer for my 12ga. Couldn't find any in 20ga locally though.

David
 
Nice thread, thanks for posting!

In my experience, I've found that individual chotguns/ chokes almost vary as much as the load. Both my shotguns I've used for turkeys have patterned the same loads differently.

I don't count the holes in the target "head"', I look for a dense pattern evenly throughout an 8-10" circle. I figure as long as I can get the turkey head in that circle, I'm good to go.
 
I've read that you should aim for a minimum of 5 holes in the vitals as a baseline. Not sure if others would agree?

I used a full choke on my Hunt Group (Charles Daly is also made in Turkey so possibly similar), but the pattern was far too large in my opinion at only 20 yards maybe. I want a good kill, but also don't want to be digging lead out of the bird for days afterwards.

I am curious how your Daly performed, and if you had any trouble removing the choke afterwards? I found a nice camo Canuck Hunter semi-automatic in 20-gauge that I would love to pick up but am very weary about the Turkish shotguns since I had the failure on my Hunt Group full choke.
 
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Nice thread, thanks for posting!

In my experience, I've found that individual chotguns/ chokes almost vary as much as the load. Both my shotguns I've used for turkeys have patterned the same loads differently.

I don't count the holes in the target "head"', I look for a dense pattern evenly throughout an 8-10" circle. I figure as long as I can get the turkey head in that circle, I'm good to go.

perfect advice
 
Nice thread, thanks for posting!

In my experience, I've found that individual chotguns/ chokes almost vary as much as the load. Both my shotguns I've used for turkeys have patterned the same loads differently.

I don't count the holes in the target "head"', I look for a dense pattern evenly throughout an 8-10" circle. I figure as long as I can get the turkey head in that circle, I'm good to go.

Thats what i look for as well. A nice tight pattern. Ive found even with the best load combinations for a given barrel and choke some shells just dont pattern routinely 100% of the time. I do alot of pattern testing. Often 20 to 25 shots of each. Not to often does a combo stay true each shot but averages show which loads are more likely to produce the desired pattern
 
Thats what i look for as well. A nice tight pattern. Ive found even with the best load combinations for a given barrel and choke some shells just dont pattern routinely 100% of the time. I do alot of pattern testing. Often 20 to 25 shots of each. Not to often does a combo stay true each shot but averages show which loads are more likely to produce the desired pattern

^^^ Agreed 100% ^^^

- Law or averages trumps occasional
- Choose one method of measurement (8", 10" circle, vital hits etc) and stick with it for everything. Myself, I use 10" circle with vitals hits as footnote.
- Once you find the ideal choke/shell load, purchase 2-3 more boxes of said shell and hoard it... you're done wasting money. I'm convinced ammo companies are secretly shilling patterning...LOL
- Nobody I know has had bad luck with Longbeard shells and Longbeard chokes.

Good luck!

P.S. White paper with turkey head and vitals outline make it infinitely easier to count pellets... cheaper too
 
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2.75" #6 federal premium from a modified choked beretta 151 pump at 30 yards. This gun patterns consistently like this and will be a rain gun for in the woods type turkey hunting where shots are close. The cardboard is roughly 24x26 and the white sticky label gets slapped on vertically. Makes a perfect target and its free because its all recycled from work
 

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Its hard to tell from those photos, but from what I can see, I cant say I’m overly impressed with those patterns. I’ve patterned my shotgun with many different loads and choke combination, and can certainly verify that different load/combinations can vary substantially. No need to use expensive target paper either. A paper plate with a circle in the middle. Aim for the center and count the number pellet holes in the plate

This is the type of pattern density I’d be going after....
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