Ammo Recoil And You...Where Are You On This Recoil Table?

For me the heaviest recoiling rifle i have fired was the 416 rigby, definitely not a rifle for shooting off the bench, but an awesome calibre non-the-less.

I find my 45-70 harder on the shoulder than my 375h&h

Some other calibres like the .470 Nitro and 50Bmg, i find have more of a push than a sharp kick.

I once owned a 30-06 Colombian mauser, that was also a brute.
 
I am curious how many of you who could take the recoil of a 30-06 or something similar are under 5' 7" and under 170 lbs. I haven't seen too many small statured people or standard height/weight women be able to handle the higher calibers. Someone told me they know of a gal that is like 110 lbs and 5' 3" who can shoot the bigger rounds and absorb the recoil. If this is true, I wonder if it is a shooting form thing. One poster said in an earlier response that they have to loosen their body to absorb the response. I do think stiffening up doesn't help but most people who are shorter/smaller are struggling with the weight of a heavier gun already, which probably doesn't help them in focusing on mitigating recoil. Then again, my Dad, when he was younger, saw some really advanced martial arts guy in China - older gentleman, and he got into this stance, and two beefier guys ran at him at full speed and couldn't knock him over. So maybe taking on the recoil is a learned skill
 
5’9 160lbs... I shoot my 45-70’s all the time, no issues... recoil doesn’t get to me until it hits the path of teeth raddle, if I’m making a call on my limit, one offs I haven’t found something I wouldn’t shoot yet. 416Rigby on a bench would probably get pretty old after the second or third shot I find it worse than the “push” of the 50cal many have mentioned.

Also my buddy built a 4.5lbs 308 we both didn’t go past 5 round mag on the bench. Again lots of factors into what is nice/evil when it comes to recoil and more importantly felt recoil.
 
For what it's worth when I first got my tikka t3x in 6.5cm, I put about 40 rounds down the pipe the first outing. It bruised me up pretty good, I wasn't expecting it. All off the bench with bags.

I had to use a stronger cheek weld and it was much better. I was used to shooting 223 off the bench, which is basically zero recoil.


Shooting off shoulder, hell, bring on the biggest you got.

I'm slight, 150lbs ish
 
Recoil is a strange beast and it afflicts everyones senses differently be it the felt impact on the shoulder, the heard noise or the seen muzzle flash. The best advice to anyone who is sensitive to recoil is get a caliber that is just adequate for the intended use with a stock that fits your stature with an excellent recoil pad. Reloading your own ammo will allow you to fabricate reduced loads for target use and recoil familiarization. Good ear protection to reduce the noise.
Each shooting day is not the same in regards to recoil, we have all experience good and bad range sessions for me at least half of the bad ones are related to recoil in some way anticipation or flinching. This may sound silly but the days that I can actually see the muzzle flash and the spent casing being ejected (semi auto) my groups are measurably smaller.
 
Shooting that light hunting rifle in 300 wm without a muzzle brake from a bench still makes me cringe... and I was a complete noob at that time. That was indeed a very poor choice for the first scoped rifle :onCrack: I almost got that proverbial black scope eye once lol. I was never able to finish a full pack of 20 rounds without feeling that my shoulder was dislocated :d

Now I normally shoot a full 50-rounds box of 200gr factory ammo from my Mosin, that's the heaviest sustained recoil for me these days. That steel butt plate is what usually gives me a bruised shoulder for the next few days, other than that it is comfortable.
 
As mentioned, recoil is a subjective thing...and no two people are going to perceive the felt recoil from a rifle in the same manner.

Body size and weight can affect felt recoil, as well as your body configuration.
Those with short necks and arms are going to feel recoil differently than those with long necks and arms, as their hold on the rifle will be different. This is where stock design is going to be a factor and whether a straight stock vs a monte carlo stock is going to be more comfortable to get a good cheek weld on and lessen the felt recoil.
I have witnessed smaller people handling more recoil from larger calibers better than larger people...but much of this has to do with shooting form too. Again, as mentioned above, knowing how to stand and shoulder the rifle properly has some to do with it, as well as allowing your shoulder/torso to roll with the recoil, instead of trying to horse that rifle into a stiff shoulder, so that your overly tensed shoulder cannot roll with the recoil, and your torso doesn't flex so that your hips and legs can help absorb the energy and assist you in maintaining your balance. This is also why we feel recoil differently in different shooting positions; shooting prone or from the bench does not allow your body to roll with the recoil as we do when shooting from the standing position.

Rifle weight is another factor that helps with felt recoil. A lighter rifle or shotgun is going to move more with the recoil of larger cartridges or shells than a heavier firearm. While an ultra lightweight rifle or shotgun is much nicer to toe around in the field or up a mountain for hours, they do not hold as steady, and behave vastly different during recoil than a heavier forearm. The trick is to find that balance in firearm weight compared to the power of the cartridge that the firearm is chambered to, in order to not be beat up by the firearm while shooting it. There is a reason why so many bolt action firearms are built in the 5-8 lb range, without rings, bases and scopes.

Another factor is the buttstock.
Drop in the comb and heel for traditionally open sighted rifles was more to allow a good cheek weld for using those open sights. Using scopes on these firearms raises the cheek higher from the stock to allow use of the scope, but causes the side of the chin to take the recoil. This definitely changes how you feel that recoil.
The type and size of the butt pad that it has. Many light weight cartridges saw crescent butt pads of metal or plastic, as the cartridges didn't produce a lot of recoil. You normally do not see larger, harder hitting cartridges with this configuration.
Better recoil pads are available for use on harder hitting rifles and shotguns, in order to reduce felt recoil and allow the shooter to be more comfortable and shoot better.

Use of a muzzle break will help reduce felt recoil, but will increase the noise dramatically. Other shooters on the shooting line will feel the impact of the air coming out of your brake, so you may not be overly popular on a busy range shooting line. It will also kick up snow, dust, grass, leaves, etc. when shooting prone off a bag or bipod, and this can affect your ability to call your shot when hunting. Personally, I do not care for them, and do not have one on any of my rifles, but they are popular and do work.

Personally, I can handle the recoil of most rifle/cartridge combinations; but like most people, I shoot the milder ones better.
My old Rem 700 BDL in 338 Win Mag with the factory butt pad would beat my shoulder black and blue off the bench after 20 rounds of factory 210gr PT ammo. After installing a LimbSaver pad, I could go 60 rounds off the bench without being bruised and sore. I could tell that I had done some shooting, but it wasn't uncomfortable. While I could produce 1" groups consistently with the original pad, the groups did get smaller (3/4") after replacing the pad.
I have the same pads on my 376 Steyr and 416 Taylor as well, and they are manageable off the bench, the latter shooting 350gr bullets @ 2400 fps. Both rifles will consistently produce 1/2"groups when I am doing my part.

I am a big guy at 6'2" and 300 lbs, I spent years shooting various rifles and calibers as a child and teenager, from various shooting positions under the guidance of my grandfather who had been taught in the US Navy. Shooting form was drilled into us as kids. I didn't shoot a rifle with a scope until I was in my early 20's.

Rifles that have hurt to shoot have been a friend's single shot rifles chambered in 450-500 3 1/4" with full powerhouse loads with 500gr bullets, and a 510 Wells with 700 gr bullets. These make the No.1 in 458 Win with 350gr bullets feel a lot more manageable.

I have only ever had two rifles recoil so that the scopes brushed my brow (no cuts); one a friends BRNO in 416 Rigby with hot loads with 400 gr bullets and another friend's Winchester Model 70 XTR in 300 Wby with factory 180gr ammo. These two rifles produced wicked felt recoil! I have shot rifles in 300 and 338 Ultra Mag and 340 Wby that did not recoil as sharply as the two aforementioned rifles did.

The worst recoiling rifle I have ever owned was a Sako Finnbear Deluxe in 300 Win Mag. This rifle was Magnaported, and lightened by the original owner and produced a lot of noise and felt recoil. I developed a flinch shooting this rifle when I was in my early 20's. Since then, I have plugged and muffed in order to help work on the flinch. It usually takes me 100-200 rounds every year to get back to where I can shoot a rifle and not close my eyes (blink) during recoil, as my flinch is more from the noise than the recoil. The extra practice also helps re-establish muscle memory and shooting form, which greatly enhances my ability to shoot consistent groups with my rifles.
 
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Yes indeed, size matters!
At 5'6" and 140lb. it dosen't take much to make me lose focus on the target.

However; .22lr at .2 on the recoil scale, is too little and makes me wish for more recoil.
...............25-20 at 1 on the recoil scale is just great for me, lets me know I am shooting with no tightening up in expectation.
...............30-30 at 7 on the scale is where I stop, anything further is just pain and poor results.

Funny, my daughter is the same height and about 15 lbs lighter and she embarrasses boys by out shooting them with nasty old milsurps... 7.62 x 54 R comes to mind. Her kid sister is about 3 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier... she can handily shoot an M44 quite well. Watching her blast rotten fruit with it is pretty cool
It's all in your mind IMO
 
I find ok up to a warmly loaded 375 ruger. Anything bigger I wouldn’t want to “plink” with much, hunt sure but that’s it. A coneorker had a 30-378 out awhile ago and I’ll say that it’s not exactly my cup of tea
 
Had a Sako in 308 that was a biatch! My Rem in 308 is a piece of cake. I like 300 WM and 308 Norma, but tried a featherweight 308 Norma with a skeleton but plate. It was obvious why it was not shot much. I used a 375 H&H, no problem. Do not like my neighbors Tikka light in 338. If I can rock with the kick I don’t mind most I’ve shot. Had a great day years ago shooting a 50-140 black powder rifle . Some thought it too much but a couple off us shot it for hour. Fit weight and recoil pad all tame a kicker.
 
Here's a great video that my son, daughter and I recently watched. Aside from the fact that these guys are amazing shooters, and if you look closely, they handled the guns safely (passing them unloaded, always pointing in safe direction, etc.). What I find even more amazing is the fact that when you see these guys shoot these 12ga shotguns, you don't see ANY recoil or they just absorb it well. The fact that that guy is doing pushups while shooting clays with one hand, and you don't see the gun kicking probably speaks to both their physical conditioning and skill in handling said firearm. I would love to get to the point where I would be remotely comfortable with the recoil of a 12ga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFLj3DeKT-E&t=118s
 
I'm guessing that most of the ammo used in the video is some type of specialty ammo, not full on max loads, and semi auto shotguns are actually very soft shooting. Again, holding a firearm like a rock to absorb every ounce of recoil doesn't make someone a pro.
 
So...against my better judgment, I bought my first 12ga today, a Mossberg 590 Shockwave SPX. It did not come in a 20ga option. I say against my better judgment because I swore a long time ago I would never own a 12ga because of a bad experience over 10 years ago when I shot one and the recoil was pretty bad (hence I settled on my 20ga youth model 870). I also say against my better judgment because the 590 is lighter (5 lbs or so) and presumably lighter means more recoil. It also has a pistol grip. But you know, I am a sucker for a good sale and I just love, love, love the look of the gun and thought I would give the 12g another shot (no pun intended).

Despite my inherent reservations indicated above, I bought this primarily because of an interesting little adapter that you can put into where you feed the shells. I haven't received the adapter yet but it's on order. Anyways, it is supposed to allow the gun to shoot "mini shells" made by Federal (and Aguila) that are much shorter (1 3/4" long).

https://www.federalpremium.com/shotshell/federal-target/shorty-shotshell/11-SH129+8.html

I am presuming and my LGS rep told me that these shells allow for one to get used to a 12ga but mitigate the recoil, so you can get used to it. I think there are full sized 2 3/4" shells that are low recoil but my LGS didn't have any. I have the adapter on order (Opsol):

https://www.opsolmini-clip.com/

I also bought several boxes of the Federal Shortly, as I am hoping this will be a great experience.

Anyone here use these mini shells before? I have never heard about them until today... I would be interested in your experience whether these have a noticeable effect on recoil.
 
I've got 3 6.5 CM's...2 of them got brakes

Largest recoiling caliber I have without a brake is a 30 Nosler...braked rifles are just nicer to shoot off a bench...:)
 
It is really funny with recoil, about 25 years ago and friend let me shoot his .458 American, I fired one shot and that was it for me, shoulder swole up, I never wanted to shoot that again, now I routinely shoot 45/70 with max loads and 50 BMG, last time I had the 50 out shot about 20 rounds and loved it. Most of the rifles I have today are big bore, recoil sure doesn't bother me so much any more
 
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It is really funny with recoil, about 25 years ago and friend let me shoot his .458 American, I fired one shot and that was it for me, shoulder swole up, I never wanted to shoot that again, now I routinely shoot 45/70 with max loads and 50 BMG, last time I had the 50 out shot about 20 rounds and loved it. Most of the rifles I have today are big bore, recoil sure not not bother me so much any more

Hi Curtis. So I am innately curious to ask this - what happened from that instance 25 years ago when you didn't want to shoot it again to now you being able to comfortably shoot large rounds today? I am sure the transition didn't happen overnight but so I am wondering what process / development helped you to be able to get to where you are today? I love hearing accounts like this as it encourages me that there may be hope for me yet.:d
 
Hi Curtis. So I am innately curious to ask this - what happened from that instance 25 years ago when you didn't want to shoot it again to now you being able to comfortably shoot large rounds today? I am sure the transition didn't happen overnight but so I am wondering what process / development helped you to be able to get to where you are today? I love hearing accounts like this as it encourages me that there may be hope for me yet.:d

I really don't know what changed, I stopped shooting altogether when I moved from Regina to Winnipeg, did not have close friends to shoot with here in Winnipeg. But when I would go to Vegas, of course I would always shoot machine guns down there, one of the range officers talked me into shooting the 50BMG, and I love it, came back and bought a 45/70 and the recoil did not bother me, so I bought a 50 and it was one of my favorite rifles to shoot until May 1 2020
 
I previous poster mentioned perceived recoil may all be in the mind. I guess once you find something you like, some of the aversions to recoil fueled by past experiences will go by the wayside.
 
I am a borderline Retard when it comes to recoil. The first gun that I shot that wasn't a rimfire was a Marlin Goose gun 12 ga 3" magnum. Dad told me it didn't kick...so it didn't. I was in Grade 7.. I think I fought in the 90 lb weight class in boxing at the time.
From there I went to a Lee Enfield Jungle carbine... it's what dad had. Was no interweb to tell me that it was an abusive lil thing to shoot,,, so I just shot it.
Now if you think that a 30-06 kicks because you've shot one that was lively... can't unring that bell.
But it really is in your mind for the most part... 416 and up may be the exception LoL
My daughters went from 22 to SKS to full bore 30 cal milsurp rifles... they don't know that they are supposed to shoot 243 win or 6.5 MB... hence 8 x 57 in a lightweight stalking rifle is normal.
Other than a hypnotist... I don't know how you 'unring' a nasty experience with recoil. But rest assured... it's probably in your mind
 
I previous poster mentioned perceived recoil may all be in the mind. I guess once you find something you like, some of the aversions to recoil fueled by past experiences will go by the wayside.

It's as much in the shoulder as the mind....

Compare a 223 Rem to a 338 RUM, and tell me it's not real.
 
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